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    Oh come on, why don't you just enhance the image before making guesses!
    I might be wrong.

    Thank you, anon. You sure know how to recognize different types of trees from quite a long way away.
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    Well, the replicator's are probably programmed in some direct machine language, and what we see is just the decompiled equivelant. The series likes to use outdated langauges, such as one scene where it showed Carter's bookshelf and she has a book on using Clipper to access databases.
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    I don't know what is scarier, the prospect of a world overrun with replicators, or the fate of species across multiple galaxies being powered by JavaScript.

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    Well, like i said, if it were reality it would just be the decompiled code, which isnt necessarily what it was written in. You can compile a program in C/C++ and then decompile it in java, ada, cobol whatever. Personally I couldnt care what its written is, as long as I get to see Amanda Tappings hot bod She is the sexiest actress alive IMO.
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    Haha she is cute. Especially now that she is sporting longer hair again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Well, like i said, if it were reality it would just be the decompiled code, which isnt necessarily what it was written in. You can compile a program in C/C++ and then decompile it in java, ada, cobol whatever. Personally I couldnt care what its written is, as long as I get to see Amanda Tappings hot bod She is the sexiest actress alive IMO.
    Modern decompilers aren't that good yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    My favorite is stuff like the Matrix where some guy is looking at hexadecimal digits fly past his eyeballs at 100 mph and yet manages to make some comment that something is not right about the system. Like he can interpret hex that fast to actually figure out what the heck is going on.
    Glad to hear someone else finally making this point.

    "The matrix is WAY too much information for these computers to decode... but my human brain does it just fine."

    Originally, when I saw that scene I assumed he was kidding about reading it and was just being witty. If you remember the only other time they watch people inside of the matrix or a similar program before that scene... it was when they all crowded around Neo and Morpheus fighting. That time however, it seemed they have some sort of video conversion of it. (I suppose because it was a smaller program than the matrix.
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    Part of the whole sci-fi experience is not taking things overly seriously. Its fantasy based on science. Not a mirror of reality. At least some things in the matrix are a little more feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    "The matrix is WAY too much information for these computers to decode... but my human brain does it just fine."
    Human brain would in fact be able to decode more than a computer - it just can't concentrate on one thing. Brain does millions of different things, so it's like in a computer where you're running a million threads - each of them separately isn't that powerful at all.

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    maxorator makes a valid point. We are more apt for completing the task of being a peeping tom by reading The Matrix' encoded streams speeding by, however we just fundamentally lack the ability to specialize in doing any one of our millions of simultaneous threads in order to actually usefully interpret data in that way... On the other hand, the world is destroyed, the only thing they have to do during the day is get good at reading the streams...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    Glad to hear someone else finally making this point.

    "The matrix is WAY too much information for these computers to decode... but my human brain does it just fine."

    Originally, when I saw that scene I assumed he was kidding about reading it and was just being witty. If you remember the only other time they watch people inside of the matrix or a similar program before that scene... it was when they all crowded around Neo and Morpheus fighting. That time however, it seemed they have some sort of video conversion of it. (I suppose because it was a smaller program than the matrix.
    They cant decode the matrix because the program that decodes it works for the matrix. They can decode their training program because its an isolated system.

    BTW, the original idea wasnt that they use us for power, but that they execute their code in our brains, which is what gives us the advantage over the machine.
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    Which is considerably more reasonable than the "human perpetuum mobile" nonsense they finally used in the movie.
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    What? Do you mean that pod people aren't a viable form of energy? For shame!

    I always wondered how they went about reproducing us during all of this. However, the fact that of all the plot holes to fixate on, I choose the reproduction aspect seems to speak volumes of where my attention span goes once I find a movie implausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxorator View Post
    Human brain would in fact be able to decode more than a computer - it just can't concentrate on one thing. Brain does millions of different things, so it's like in a computer where you're running a million threads - each of them separately isn't that powerful at all.
    This is way, way left field from the point... there is no definite evidence of what we could do assuming we could process only "a single thread" if you will at one time... however that's beyond the point. We can't do that and therefore the idea is silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    They cant decode the matrix because the program that decodes it works for the matrix. They can decode their training program because its an isolated system.

    BTW, the original idea wasnt that they use us for power, but that they execute their code in our brains, which is what gives us the advantage over the machine.
    I don't know about that. I mean it seemed the Nebuchadnezzar and all of the other Xion hubs were ripping the code from the matrix similar to a way that a disassembler works and that they were entering the matrix in the same way that a disassembler would poke values into the code stream. Now... if they can take this code and display it on their terminals... and then read the code while decoding it in their head... I don't see why they couldn't write an application that takes the code as input, decodes it, and outputs the image. Anyway, I don't see anyway for me to have this discussion without having to break it down to something more simplistic than it would have to be to actually work. I think trying to explain the Matrix in detail would be like trying to explain the existence of god.

    Anyway, I also think it would have been a better idea with humans being code processors rather than batteries. I think I've read somewhere that given the daily caloric consumption of an at rest body (Your BMR)... if you do the math the average body only generates about 100-120W. That's pretty crappy if you're looking to run a giant machine. When you think about it... it's probably not even enough to run the machines that were keeping them alive.
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    Replicators written in JavaScript? Those producers need fired, re-hired, then fired again!

    >> The series likes to use outdated langauges,
    So use assembly. Not that it's outdated, it's just old, and would be the best looking, and most realistic thing.
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