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    Thinking about learning something else

    Well, I have just taken a break from C++ for several days, and now that I'm going back to learn it again, I don't remember much of what I have learned anymore. Actually, I was pretty confused even back a few day ago due to the information overload. Now, I'm starting to realize that lately, I'm getting tired of C++ (too complex for me right now), and that it's not exactly a right choice since I want to program as soon as possible (I thought I could wait, but...). So, I'm thinking of learning an easier language to be able to program with it, then get back to C++ eventually. Anyway, I'm not sure if this is exactly a right forum to ask, but I would appreciate some suggestions right now.

    Also, my choice right now is Python, as it's heavily recommended for beginners, but I'm having trouble looking for a tutorial (or rather, I don't know where to find a *good* tutorial...)
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    It is off topic here but I think there is an official beginners tutorial at Python's home page?
    I might be wrong.

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    If it's of any help to you, this is the exact order I learned in;

    . BATCH Files for windows and QBasic
    . QBasic and Visual Basic 4-5 (briefly) while starting C (some ASM)
    . VBScript and still learning C
    . JavaScript and then C++ and still C; (ASM comes back every now and then)
    . PHP along with adv OOP concepts in C++ and more C - (self-teaching discrete math)
    . C++ adv concepts and algorithms and Java (couple years) (more math; algorithms, etc)
    . C++ and C# and some random languages (was hired as a .net programmer, picked up C# practically overnight thanks to Java)
    . C++, C#, Lisp (ogl, glsl, ai, dsp, all that fun stuff, etc)



    wow, fun mind trip through the past there. somewhere in the half way point i was familiarizing myself with mysql, then sql and etc. db's are important to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    It is off topic here but I think there is an official beginners tutorial at Python's home page?
    A bit off topic, but I recently removed a university from the list of schools im considering for my masters because the artificial intelligence program requires the AI to be written in python. It's not that big a deal, but it meant the difference between two otherwise good programs.
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    A bit off topic, but I recently removed a university from the list of schools im considering for my masters because the artificial intelligence program requires the AI to be written in python. It's not that big a deal, but it meant the difference between two otherwise good programs.
    That is off topic indeed, unless you are having trouble learning Python and thus dismissed it as a choice for writing an AI program on that basis (as opposed to there being arguably better programming languages for AI).
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    Python would be a good choice to start with. I have went through it a bit, and it's pretty easy to pick up the syntax. There is also an interactive interpreter, which makes it easy to test out anything new.

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    Talking visual basic is the way to go

    Yeah visual basic is the language for those who who don't like challenging tasks like learning C++. It's so easy a caveman could do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luciferek View Post
    Yeah visual basic is the language for those who who don't like challenging tasks like learning C++. It's so easy a caveman could do it!
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    I started out with Basic

    But from what I have seen of VB; I don't like it. Everythings a Dim?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_g View Post
    But from what I have seen of VB; I don't like it. Everythings a Dim?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_g View Post
    I started out with Basic
    Me too, even did VB for a while before switching to C++ at uni. I don't *think* I'm mentally mutilated, but then how would I know?

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    Talking VB sucks!

    I started out with vb in highschool too, and i dont think i've been mutated. But I got to say that once i started C++ i never wanted to go back to VB or any other language. I don't need that fancy shmancy ultra quick form and button development, i need a language that can do some stuff.
    All I am saying that if tiachopvutru finds C++ too complex maybe he can try something ultra easy, but when he finds vb too complex i'm sorry, but maybe programming isn't for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
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    That is off topic indeed, unless you are having trouble learning Python and thus dismissed it as a choice for writing an AI program on that basis (as opposed to there being arguably better programming languages for AI).
    Its not python's fitness for the purpose, just that one university uses C/C++ and the other uses python, both programs are equivelant, they even use the same textbook, so the choice was really do i want to spend my money focusing on AI or learning a new language that I will most likely never use outside class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luciferek View Post
    I started out with vb in highschool too, and i dont think i've been mutated. But I got to say that once i started C++ i never wanted to go back to VB or any other language. I don't need that fancy shmancy ultra quick form and button development, i need a language that can do some stuff.
    All I am saying that if tiachopvutru finds C++ too complex maybe he can try something ultra easy, but when he finds vb too complex i'm sorry, but maybe programming isn't for him.
    Nope, I'm going for Python, right now, not Visual Basic. Probably because I'm hearing it a lot from others, but Visual Basic doesn't give me a good impression for some reason... In addition, I also want to use a language that's more "open."

    Rather than complex, the amount of stuffs in C++ are overwhelming me. Since I have only finished about 1/3rd of the book I read, C++ may as well be complex for me right now. I don't believe I cannot do programming, however. Right now, I'm following Python since it's easier, so I can have a sense of being able to create something sooner and also to understand the process of programming before I get back to C++ with all the details.

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    Yeah, python should be fun. I'd like to learn it too if I can get around to it. It seems to be quite a flexible language.

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