Someone saves us from music

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    Someone saves us from music

    This is going to sound strange, but the reason I speak of this is because I worry about generation clashes. In short, I want to learn how to speak with my daughter...

    Do you remember you parents telling you music these days is no good and in their time things were better? I had mine saying this back in the days when I was listening to bands like Fischer-Z, The Cult, Queen, Led Zeppelin (even though this one is from their time), Meat Loaf, Pink Floyd (Roger Water's pink floyd. Just not the same without him), and a million other et ceteras. It was part of my education this intimate knowledge that my parents could never understand me and my times.

    So what happens now? I listen to today's music and I vomit. What happened to the 60's to 90's proliferation of colossal bands? What is this that we hear today? Smashing hits that don't last in your hear more than 12 months when bands like Rolling Stones or Nirvana produced songs that gained their place in history.

    Even the rap and hip-hop crap we hear today. Do you remember when rap became popular back in the early 90s? Do you remember the quality of lyrics and rap structure of Wu-Tang or Snoop Dog. Do you remember the rap wars? What is this I hear today? What is this crap? And hip-hop... don't get me started on the worst musical style since elevator music was invented.

    What's worst? Do you remember a time when mainstream popular bands and singers composed their own songs and lyrics? When they mastered writing and composing along with performing? When you knew that what you were listening to was what was in their hearts. What is this crap I see today? Semi-naked wonderful bodies, pretty faces and ass shaking to go along with songs you cannot remember next year written and produced by someone else who just wants to use their pretty faces.

    I vomit and I suffer from chronic yearning. I wish I was back in my youth getting extremely high on Led Zeppelin - Been Loving You, closing my eyes and drinking every sound of U2 - One, bowing my head in respect to names like Vangelis, Cult, Cure, Doors, Procol Harum, Thin Lizzy, Ozzy Osborn, Jimmy Hendrix, and learning for the first time how to love a woman to the sound of Gary Moore - Parisienne Walkways.

    So... what's wrong with me? Is it a generation clash or is indeed the music that changed to worst?
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    Your refusal to reference jazz in a music thread makes me vomit ;p.

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    Oh my god! I am so sorry. Absolutely right. I am myself a lover. But let's face it, Jazz has fortunately been out of the loop. Because of that it has been spared and remains a consistent, yet evolving style that is not tainted by the commercial label tarts and the mtv ignorant.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Agreed, the music these days is awful ! But what's stopping you from introducing your daughter to the music you listened to ? Maybe she hasn't heard the songs. Personally I hate Rap and Hip-Hop. I mostly listen to Rock and Metal. There are a lot of good bands coming up these days, especially in the Metal scenario.
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    I listen to pretty much everything, minus the repetitive brain injury crap that is typical club music, "house", "garage" and all that BS. I hate even walking past clubs on a night out and I hate it even more when some slack-jawed jock drives past our house with his windows down and this type of music blaring.

    Anyway. Yeah. I agree. There are a few bands around in the charts that I like but most of today's music is utter crapola.

    Oh and I love Muse, in case my avatar and title didn't give that away.
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    I do like some modern music, but because of my nature as a more casual music listener (in that I don't like particular types of music just because they belong ot a particular genre) I am able to filter and only listen to music that I like. I'm more of a song listener than a type listener. I love jazz though, ever since I discovered the local public jazz radio station (wdna.org has an online cast if you like) I've been saved when it comes to radio music.

    I think your predicament is that you like what you like, that's how it is. A while ago you couldn't get me to listen to modern metal if you tried, but listening to various bands which I now like I'm able to listen to it like I listen to jazz which involves focusing on the different instruments and what makes this type of music the type of music that it is.

    One thing that gets me though are a lot of so called indy bands I've heard. What gets me is not the actual sound but the lack of talent to play a musical instrument. There is a college radio-station which plays what I call "non-music" because in my opinion if you're going to have a band with several guitars, drums, a keyboard, and whatever instrument either 1) Learn how to play one or more of them, 2) make it sound interesting. A lot of it seems like these guys were playing around while recording then these lamoids tout it as "high art".

    Another thing I don't like about some groups is that when they have uninteresting instrumentals, the vocalist tries to exaggerate these unusual vocals to make the song sound interesting, I think it fails.

    I won't make as big a blanket statement as you have with music in general, because I've heard a lot of great music old and new, but there are big stinkers. Maybe you're just old.

    Also if you plan on introducing your daughter to some "cool music" be prepared for her to hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PING View Post
    Agreed, the music these days is awful ! But what's stopping you from introducing your daughter to the music you listened to?
    When she was in her mummy's belly, I used to put my stereo headphones on her and had her listening to some of my favorite songs. Naturally I didn't use the same volume settings I use to hear them myself.

    She was born and she's growing fast and she always listened to what I listen. She definitely enjoys music as much as I do. But I cannot avoid her being quaffed into these ages, nor am sure I want to. What I strive instead is to reach an understanding with her in that neither she's shallow for liking this crap, neither am I square for hating it. (which I must say is hard to do)
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    As a child ages their parent's naturally take on properties of a square.

    But art is subjective, so all our complaints are personal and decent enough people will like what we consider crap.

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    But art is subjective, so all our complaints are personal and decent enough people will like what we consider crap.
    I don't agree art is that subjective. But this is a touchy subject. For me that is more a commonplace that justifies a white painting with two black lines and a red square selling for a couple of million, or for a label sponsored and backed up band to sell crap hip hop when some of them don't even know how to sing outside a studio.

    But I can agree people may like what others dislike and even call it crap without that signifying any particular judgment except for those involved in said "art"... which is well deserved I must add. If I'm willing to produce a piece of what I myself call art, I may as well get ready for it to be called a piece of crap and I to smell like it.

    The issue however is... is music today mostly crap? Yes, in my opinion. Certainly there are exceptions but lets leave those aside, ok? I'm talking of music in general. The stuff you hear everyday and that gets the most bang out of tv stations, radios and live concerts.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    And yet people do genuinely like it, daughters included.

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    Yes. And that's precisely the issue, isn't it? Gosh. I'm speaking to a wall. forget it.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    It's not an issue to me, but I certainly don't "feel sorry" for them in any sense of the phrase.

    My last name is Wall btw.

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    I grew up on classic rock but don't like it as well now (42 years old). I find myself switching between Jazz, Blues, and Big Band/Sinatra on Sirius -- you know the stuff my parents listened to. :-) I like some classical but couldn't match a piece with a composer.

    I honestly couldn't name a popular artist today, but I hear some songs I like.

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    Ok, but this isn't a pool type of thread

    What I would like to know is what you think of the current situation in the music industry or if it is as healthy as it always was and I can't just seem to grasp (much like my parents did) the new age.

    I cannot hope to have you answer the second question. But I'm trying to gain some insight as to better understand this generation tastes and with it better follow my daughter own experiences, by exploring this and other themes.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    It's not an issue to me, but I certainly don't "feel sorry" for them in any sense of the phrase.
    It would be if you ever cared to read up the lyrics to some of the rap songs. The kind of stuff my parents wouldn't have liked me hearing when i was younger.
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