Cost of programming

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    I quite like the GIMP, it does pretty much all i want for image editing.

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    Also it's likely that if you're using pro you're in a work environment and it wasn't bought by you in the first place.

    And with your last comment Elysia you defeated your argument, Express has similar features to Pro and is developed by the same company.

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    And with your last comment Elysia you defeated your argument, Express has similar features to Pro and is developed by the same company.
    I read it as a comparison between Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro, not Visual Studio Professional and Express.
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    Laserlight is correct. Two different products developed by two different companies.
    And Microsoft is also sometimes known to sell a lot of products at a loss, if that explains anything.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Yes, but if Adobe was a small company with a product that was competeting with another similar product from a bigger company, they couldn't charge such high prices.
    The bigger they become, the higher they can raise the price. If there are no alternatives, they can get away with it because companies are dependant upon the software.

    And don't forget - you can get a similar product for a tenth of the price (Paint Shop Pro).
    So what's the problem? Just use Paint Shop Pro, or something else, or develop your own. Not sure why Adobe should be demonized for creating a useful product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medievalelks View Post
    Not sure why Adobe should be demonized for creating a useful product.
    They should be for overpricing the software, nothing else.
    And just for the record, I DO use Paint Shop Pro, because it's so much prettier, and it's so much more stable than adobe software, and it's so much easier to use than adobe software.
    Those are my experiences with adobe software.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You don't know it's overpriced... as far as we know they could sell very little and it could cost lots to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    They should be for overpricing the software, nothing else.
    Obviously, there are enough people buying the product that it isn't "overpriced" to them. Supply and demand. They aren't in business to give away software, or even make it affordable to everyone.

    I don't own a Jaguar, because I can't afford one, but I don't hold it against them. Instead of demanding that they make and XJ-300 affordable to me, I'd rather try to earn enough to be able to own one.

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    Sticks and stones, obviously. I feel it's overpriced, but I have no technical data to backup that statement, so believe it as you will.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    And to you it probably is overpriced, 'nuf said

    Even to me it's overpriced, but it's not aimed at people like me. Overpriced is a definition based on perspective, whether it's yours or the economys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Laserlight is correct. Two different products developed by two different companies.
    And Microsoft is also sometimes known to sell a lot of products at a loss, if that explains anything.
    But the idea is the same, you don't want to spend money on an expensive product, buy the less expensive alternative. Except in this case, the less expensive product is free and made by the same company. It actually seems a little...dare I say, noble.

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    The funny thing is that Microsoft intended the Express products to be free for a certain time, but then they seemed to have extended it to be free always.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    The funny thing is that Microsoft intended the Express products to be free for a certain time, but then they seemed to have extended it to be free always.
    Did Microsoft ever give a reason for this? I mean its a good idea, a possible ploy to purchase the proffesional version maybe?
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    I don't know what reasons they had for that. Just that originally they were intended to be a free download for everyone within a time period.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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