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Should manav be made into a moderator?

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    Roughly 3 pages of why you wouldn't make a good mod and you're still kicking. At least he has the resolve of a mod.

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    We can set a ranking system, plus, already there is a minimum posts threshold to use some features. In that case useless GD posts would not add up.
    Cboard used to have a rating system long time ago. Personally I don't support the rating system, its pretty useless.
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    >- I have seen them locking a thread which was bumped after 30 days or so, why not lock beforehand?
    There's a difference between continuing the conversation and pointlessly bumping a thread. You're suggesting that all posts after a certain amount of time should be considered pointless bumps. In theory the idea is good, but I've experienced it in practice, and it sucked ass.

    >- Since I think GD is for general discussion only, so no useful info therein. I never found any useful stuff.
    Not everyone is the same.

    >- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
    I think you missed the point. Shall we delete your account and see how much you like it?

    >- People advertise their own systems in their sig, mods do not notice.
    As long as they don't post solely to spam their signature, it's not really a problem.

    >- Sig is part of every post (usually), and pics will divert the attention, again we are not on a love board.
    By that logic we may as well remove the GD forum and ban anyone who mentions a non-programming topic.
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    Rating based on the number of posts (whether they are in some particular forum or not) is pretty meaningless. People can see the number of posts and determine for themselves whether it's a viable answer or not, without having * or ***** next to the name [not that an answer from a 1 post user is necessarily less valid than one from user with 10000 posts].

    If users are doing stupid things like posting drivel just to get the post count up, then they will most likely do that anywhere that those posts count, so if you don't count posts in one forum where drivel is slightly less "bad", they will just post it in the more "bad" places - particularly if the post limit is to prevent someone from achieving something, e.g. PM's. And of coruse, post count goes back down again if the post is deleted, so if it's purely posting SIMPLY to increase post count, the moderators can remove those posts, and there was nothing gained.

    Keeping things on topic in any form of board takes some discipline from the participants. This board can get a bit sidetracked at times with one or another user trying convince everyone that his/her idea is better than some other persons idea. But that's part of the fun in a forum too - and if it gets too out of hand, the moderators are there to delete un-suitable posts, or lock the thread, etc, etc.

    Most forums do have a great number of inactive members. Some of those are those that do not participate much in the discussion, some of those came for one question, got the answer and left. But to delete the user (and thus all posts from that user - because otherwise you have posts with no user related to them) after some time doesn't make any sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prelude View Post
    >- See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
    I think you missed the point. Shall we delete your account and see how much you like it?
    I think you missed the point, only about 3&#37; are active other are gone long back. They may not remember their login - passwords. Try sending emails to all the inactive users. So they can respond and tell that they exist.

    Plus, I am not inactive at all, I visit daily, I do not know how the board decides inactivity, but I think if a user does not even login for long time. Then it is marked as inactive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manav View Post
    I think you missed the point, only about 3% are active other are gone long back. They may not remember their login - passwords. Try sending emails to all the inactive users. So they can respond and tell that they exist.

    Plus, I am not inactive at all, I visit daily, I do not know how the board decides inactivity, but I think if a user does not even login for long time. Then it is marked as inactive.
    Did you read my response to that - if you delete the member account, then you also have to delete the members posts. I'm sure that it doesn't matter to current posts, but if you wanted to go back and search for something (which is a quite handy thing), you wouldn't find the answer, because the original post is missing. And what do you do if HALF the posts in a thread have suddenly been deleted? The thread is pretty much meaningless at that point. Or did you just mean block the users from being able to log in, but not actually delete the account?

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    Mats, I missed your reply.
    Why do you need the user to exist, while reading it's post? Do you want Einstein to be alive, so that, we can read his E=mc2 descriptions?

    Delete the inactive accounts if it is automated process. If it is manual work. Well leave it.

    Plus, what is so important in this thread that mods would not delete it. I have requested 3 times now.

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    >Plus, what is so important in this thread that mods would not delete it.
    If you don't understand why we're reluctant to delete threads with no good reason, you're definitely not likely to become a moderator.
    My best code is written with the delete key.

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    >> Why do you need the user to exist, while reading it's post? Do you want Einstein to be alive, so that, we can read his E=mc2 descriptions?

    By your logic, Einstein died, so burn all the papers and books he wrote. If you delete an account, the posts are thrown away. And frankly it's not very nice.

    Becoming a moderator is not a campaign, just so you know, you shouldn't make a promise. I don't think we need another janitor and we definitely don't need additional rules.

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    I've seen threads locked for being stale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manav View Post
    Mats, I missed your reply.
    Why do you need the user to exist, while reading it's post? Do you want Einstein to be alive, so that, we can read his E=mc2 descriptions?]
    But without knowing that it was Einstein that wrote it, and what else Einstein had written, you may not trust the content, right? So if you have content posted by user X, then it may be handy to know what else user X has written.
    Delete the inactive accounts if it is automated process. If it is manual work. Well leave it.

    Plus, what is so important in this thread that mods would not delete it. I have requested 3 times now.
    Because part of being a moderator involves being reluctant to delete threads. It is not only the original thread creator, but also everyone else who have contributed to the thread that will "loose out" if the thread is deleted. Trivially just deleting threads for absolutely no reason adds workload to the moderator, as well as irritating people involved in the thread. This should be done with the greatest of care and respect for all involved.

    Seeing as you don't pay for the diskspace, I don't understand why you are so concerned with deleting stuff. [Not that I would think that the current space taken by some 0.75 million threads is that many megabytes anyways].

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    Quote Originally Posted by manav View Post
    - I have seen them locking a thread which was bumped after 30 days or so, why not lock beforehand?
    Because you are ruling out that someone may bump the thread with a good reply. There are acceptable bumps.

    - Since I think GD is for general discussion only, so no useful info therein. I never found any useful stuff.
    And who are you to decide what's important and not?
    Like Mario F's topic about helping find a new laptop/desktop. Is it useless? Should it be deleted/pruned?

    - We can set a ranking system, plus, already there is a minimum posts threshold to use some features. In that case useless GD posts would not add up.
    Who says GD posts are useless?
    In that case, all posts may just be useless.
    If you asked for help, for something non-programming related, is it useless then? Should it be deleted because it's in GD?

    - See this: Threads: 98,211, Posts: 732,871, Members: 31,621, Active Members: 916
    Aside from removing the posts made by a user, some may return. Or they may just be inactive for quite some time. There are people who visits boards once a month or even less so. Should be prune those accounts?
    And if the accounts were to be deleted, and the posts not, then all of them would appear Unregistered or Guest, and it would be impossible to separate them - who posted what?

    - Be equal for all, plus, this is not a comic book forum or movies forum.
    That is irrelevant. Avatars lighten the place up. It also gives you something to focus on - something to associate that particular user with.
    Heck, avatars can be funny, too. And they may also be very nice to look at.
    It doesn't matter what type of forum it is.

    - People advertise their own systems in their sig, mods do not notice.
    Again, what's wrong with advertising in their signature? As long as they don't spam to show off their signature, there's nothing wrong with it.
    And I'll tell you that not everyone does advertise in it. And if you are so against it, devise rules against it instead of banning signatures altogether.

    - Sig is part of every post (usually), and pics will divert the attention, again we are not on a love board.
    But, oh so what if they divert attention? It's not like you don't read the reply!
    They lighten the place up. If you see a lot of beautiful avatars and banners, you don't want to leave the place. You want to see them again.
    They do not hinder productivity. On the contrary, they might just do the opposite.

    All these replies really seems to show that you are not fit for a moderator role. Not yet anyway. You seem to have the entirely wrong outlook.
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    manav, you can disable avatars and signatures in your options.

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    GD is a place of nonsense, yes, but also not so nonsense, manav. Even discussions that may seem ridicule to you or to everyone including those involved should stay and not be deleted.

    Each person approaches GD their own way. Certainly the opinion it is a useless place is as valid as the opinion it is a place where one can decompress from the other boards or simply the real life. It's a place of democratic discussion. Discussions that do tend to drift into a more asinine sort after a while, for sure. But not always. Still a lot can be learned from them. It's eventually a more social aware place then the other - by virtue more "stiff" - boards, where you get to know board members in more detail or simply use it to voice your opinions on the most varied subjects, learn new things not pertaining to programming, and change your views on all different sort of matters.

    Deleting posts from there is an impossible task. Who decides what is valuable information and what is not in a board that is appropriately called General Discussions? There have been posts in GD that I feel I learned something new from them. For anyone wanting to read, they can also learn something from the discussion regardless of the tone some opinions may be voiced. I reject the notion GD is trash. No matter how much I may argue and show my ugly face, everyone in there without exception at one point or another taught me something new about what... I may add... matters most to me. Programming is just a part of my life and I tend to look down on those who seem to be incapable of discussing anything not related to programming basing this decision solely on a prejudice towards GD.

    I have used my time on the C++ board. I have no wish to post in there anymore and I feel no need to ask question in there when I can get the answers by my own means. Meanwhile I spend my time in GD and the tech board mostly, only rarely going to the game and windows board when I happen to notice a thread that interests me. And I read more than I write on those threads.

    I would strongly object against deleting any of my posts in GD (even those that may embarrass me. And I have many of those). Those are my words and they define me for better of for worst. As long as the CProgramming board is of the public domain, anyone deleting any of my posts is effectively shutting me out. Something I would take strong offense.
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    A more reasonable system:

    - threads can be posted in regardless their age
    - threads should not be bumped simply for attention
    - sig limited to 100 pixels high and no animations
    - animated avaters allowed once you have 1k+ posts
    - if you make a post with a different post of yours right above it, it doesn't inc your post count
    - members with over 500 posts can click a "request thread lock" button in each thread, if this button is pushed by over 20 members, the thread is automaticly locked
    - there should be a flame board with NO rules, but each post there incs your "bad post" count
    - if a mod has to edit or delete one of your posts, your "bad post" count incs
    - an account is deleted it it's inactive for over 2 years
    - gd is treated like any other board
    - the flame board would only be visible to members
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