The end of piracy - according to this dude

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    The end of piracy - according to this dude

    Check out this article:

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-says-bushnell

    It was linked from slashdot. Personally I think it's a bunch of fluff. There will always be a way to get around security measures.
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    This previous "technical marvel" lasted all of a month before the walls fell.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3264631.stm

    Then when people realise they can't upgrade their hardware and still play, roll in the lawyers, or watch their market share evaporate.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7414323.stm
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    I have inadvertently discovered a good way to stop piracy: make a prog thats so difficult to setup you need a technician to do it for you.

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    Ah yes, you discovered Vista.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Hasn't something similar been attempted before? On a smaller scale with CD/DVDs

    Anyway, the article claims to be able to stop piracy in Asia and India ... er where do you think motherboards are made? It'd take one company not to put the chip in and they'd destroy the competition.

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    If instead of concentrating only in the gaming industry leading software developers joined efforts, a chip like this - assuming it works as advertised - could have practical applications in office computers (computers in a working environment, to clarify).

    Two years ago, a leading national computer assembly company over here had a surprise inspection. Around, if memory serves me right, 70&#37; of the computers bore illegal software. Of those 10% only contained illegal software; from the OS to the applications. The fine was elephantine and yet the company spent tens of thousands yearly in licenses.

    EDIT: to clarify, the computers found to contain illegal software were the ones used by company, not the ones assembled, of course. These last are equipped according to the OEM contracts. Heck, they would be closed down if those were the ones.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Then one motherboard manufacturer decides to produce motherboards without that chip and other manufacturers go bankrupt...

    I guess some manufacturers care more about the business than "customer protection".

    About the system itself. It says the CD-key check will be done by the chip and nothing will stop it. Why can't crackers just NOP the whole part that communicates with the chip?

    If they can't attack the part which is protected by the protection system, they will attack the protection system itself.
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    Hoho. Cracks, anyone? They remove the need for a key and medium in the first place - hence nothing to check!
    No, piracy will still be there. More difficult to pirate? Sure. But they won't ever completely get rid of it. That's ridiculous to think. But efforts to stop illegitimate piracy is good. As long as it doesn't hinder legal customers.
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    Then one motherboard manufacturer decides to produce motherboards without that chip and other manufacturers go bankrupt...
    If it worked that way, one graphics board manufacturer would have produced graphics boards without DRM support and - through lowered cost - would be swiping the floor with the competition now.
    But with DRM support, those HD movies won't work at all. So the companies add the support, because otherwise their hardware is crippled.

    It's the same with the TPM chip. Don't have the chip? Sorry, you don't get to play those new games. Should have chosen a different vendor.
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    In a way piracy can be stopped.

    Suppose I get a pirated Vista for $2, along with that, I get, all kind of legal baffles, all kind of security issues, bad name from MS () and a self cursing ego(?) etc. etc.

    Now suppose MS is giving Vista for free. Would not that just stop the piracy?

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    > Now suppose MS is giving Vista for free. Would not that just stop the piracy?
    What?! "Give me it for free or I'm going to steal it". :\

    You can't blame someone for selling something they made. Vista itself has created thousands of jobs worldwide (mostly due to it ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zacs7 View Post
    > Now suppose MS is giving Vista for free. Would not that just stop the piracy?
    What?! "Give me it for free or I'm going to steal it". :\
    No need to steal, I never steal Linux, and, I never used pirated Linux either.

    You can't blame someone for selling something they made. Vista itself has created thousands of jobs worldwide (mostly due to it ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CornedBee View Post
    But with DRM support, those HD movies won't work at all. .
    There are software packages out that remove the DRM requirement. DRM may thwart casual piracy, but it has no hope of stopping the india/asia piracy, since that is organized, even if at a small scale.

    This new chip will be the same, the problem with passowrds adn secret codes is unless the industry is going to trust one guy to hold the code, and noone else can extract it from his chips, and they can bet their billions on him not getting hit by a car, then someone will have access to the code and it WILL leak. Once its out its out. just look at the 09 code for DVD's.

    What differentiates a legitimate copy of an HD DVD from an illegitimate copy in the eyes fo the DVD player? Certainly the copies can contain all the same encryption as the original, it is after all a digitally identical copy. So I have to have a motherbaord with the TPS report, err I mean TPM chip. Since all the motherboards have it anyway, this is no issue. Now when my legitimate software wont work because the TPS report, sorry again, TPM chip in my new system doesnt work with my old password and I have to download a cracked version of the software I already own, that is just inconveniencing your customers. This scenario has caused more than one company to go out of business. Competition in teh software industry is too high for any company with their feces amalgamated to risk using the TPS reports, damn sorry again, TPM chips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zacs7 View Post
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    Anyway, the article claims to be able to stop piracy in Asia and India ... er where do you think motherboards are made? It'd take one company not to put the chip in and they'd destroy the competition.
    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    There are software packages out that remove the DRM requirement. DRM may thwart casual piracy, but it has no hope of stopping the india/asia piracy, since that is organized, even if at a small scale.
    I thought our neighboring country is doing the piracy. Considering, that, even the movies which are not released yet, are there on CD/DVDs
    Do not blame India for music/movie piracy. We are also affected by this.

    Software piracy? Well that is a different issue. People do it without even realizing it. Although presently MS Ads on TV are creating awareness for users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacs7 View Post
    You can't blame someone for selling something they made.
    He can

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