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    Only, that loop will never happen since IE < Opera && IE < Firefox
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    I upgraded to 8.0.
    Found this in the FAQ: http://free.grisoft.com/ww.faq.num-1338#faq_1338
    Searched the setup image for more "feature strings".
    Ended up using this command line to install AVG:
    Quote Originally Posted by My Setup Command Line
    /REMOVE_FEATURE fea_AVG_SafeSurf /REMOVE_FEATURE fea_AVG_SafeSearch /REMOVE_FEATURE fea_AVG_HttpScanner /REMOVE_FEATURE fea_AVG_Firewall /REMOVE_FEATURE fea_AVG_AntiRootkit /REMOVE_FEATURE fea_AVG_Antispam
    avgrsx.exe now hangs around 15MB mem usage.

    Verified basic virus detection still works: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm

    gg

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    Thanks codeplug. I'm downloading 8.01 again and see how happy I become with those suggestions.

    For now, the following is version 7.5.524a1293 reported memory footprint on my machine. That version is the last of the 7.5 versions that didn't have the UI redesigned, and my favorite.

    Highlighted is the command control which I usually have turned off.
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    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Another thing that's intresting, is if you open Help -> Contents -> Advanced Settings, there is a page called "Ignore Faulty Components Conditions". Only problem is that there's no real UI for what that help page covers....
    I could only find it mentioned in their forums here:
    http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...296#msg-121296

    gg

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    Where did you find the command line arguments? I'm trying to find the one to remove the anti-spyware component, but can't even locate the others. I'm using stud_PE

    EDIT:
    >> Only problem is that there's no real UI for what that help page covers....

    Yup. That was a feature of 7.5 and my main beef with 8.0 since it was removed.
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    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    I used process explorer on the running setup at first. Or you can unpack the main download using WinRar and look at all the "fea_AVG" strings in avgsetup.exe.

    I never got the "anit-spyware" component not to show up in the UI - but I don't know that it's doing anything more than using the same scan engine that the "anti-virus" component uses. May just be a logical seperation of definations.

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    I was being dumb. Didn't think looking at the downloaded file as an archive.

    Yes, probably the anti-spam component is part of the anti-virus one. I've looked through fet_ strings and there's nothing there indicating its presence. Mostly the ones you found, plus some plugins and such. The only cryptic one was "fea_AVG_Cl". But won't bother with it. Probably some command line mode.

    Ok. I have it installed and running. The memory footprint below is dismaying. It's AV bloatware on my poor 500MB. Maybe it's not an issue with someone with 1GB or more of RAM. But AVG is not for me anymore.

    Name:  avg8.png
Views: 563
Size:  7.0 KB

    I'm not going to carry around a antivirus on my machine that went from 3MB to 45MB in idle mode. Not to mention the Resident Shield is very aggressive with a noticeable slowdown on my machine even when I navigate through the Start Menu. It takes around 1 minute to open my C/C++ Menu.

    Thanks again for the tips Codeplug. For others it may be useful. Since I expect most people are running 1GB and other machines. Hope they are still paying attention to the thread.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Hmmm, well I've got a PC with 512MB total ram - avgrsx.exe is hanging around at 15MB mem usage.
    My other PC with 1GB ram looks exactly like yours - 31,640K mem usage.

    Looks like AVG scales it's "idle" memory usage based on available resources. Peak mem usage is ~ 46MB on both.

    gg

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    Hmm... I have 500Mb and that is what I had. Granted I didn't wait for long, or rebooted, before uninstalling. So maybe that's it. Still 15Mb, plus everything else that will come with the other avg related processes is too much for a simple AV.

    Currently looking at other options; I've downloaded and will be taking a look at BitDefender, ClamWin, Avira and Avast. From what I've read ClamWin seems to be a real contender. It lacks a "Resident Shield" feature, but I don't need it anyways. The only worry is how reliable the virus definitions file is...
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    I think you're arguing over sticks and stones. 15-30 MB for AV is OK I think. Up tp 50 MB is excessive, and above is unacceptable.
    But then again, I may be up-to-date on RAM. But seriously, it's so cheap... what's the harm? Everything will run smoother.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    My Toshiba is the Satellite Pro SP 6000. Maximum memory is 1GB. It has two banks. Bank 1 is damaged and maximum SODIMM available for it is 512MB.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    I see... So it's because of hardware limitation (or maybe hardware damage?).
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    anyone know where to download 7.5?

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    There's one still available here. Get it quick http://www.brothersoft.com/avg-anti-...ion-60620.html

    >> I see... So it's because of hardware limitation (or maybe hardware damage?).

    Well both. Limitation because the sticks for it are maxed at 512Mb. I could have had 1GB if they weren't. Hardware damage because I could have two 512MB sticks.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Thumbs down

    I have installed 8.0 on my xp pro and 2000 w/ FAT32 machines, and I'm uninstalling it from both machines for the following reasons:

    1) XP Pro
    - It destroyed my FTP program because some of the files were in a long batched list of harmful viruses and spyware. I could not check which ones needed to be vaulted or deleted compared to the ones that AVG deemed dangerous, but was not. I was EXTREMELY frustrated over this, because now I have to go and reinstall the FTP program. I even put the FTP installation directory under the exceptions list, and it seems to ignore it as it keeps adding it within the batched list of harmful files.

    2) Win 2000 Pro
    It doesn't update win 2000 because it's FAT32 now. This is not helpful by any means. The machine is limited with memory already, and it has now become a resource hog, to boot.

    I'm all ears for any other free anti-virus program suggestions.

    Thanks for listening,
    Drumsticks

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