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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Spying is actually illegal in some countries. So it's not justified.
    However, what you could do is refuse to fix it unless they agree to let you administrate the computer and allow "surveillance."
    And all accounts do not need a password. The admin account does.
    Like I said, i don't care about the electronics acts right, there have to be cases logically when spying is justified, for example when there is a threat to national security, life and death, child pornography and etc.

    Of course, this isn't that extreme, but you get my point. Spying is justified, dependent on the case.

    I already administrate the computer, I haven't spied on him since about 2 years ago or so, but I don't say no when the tool can come in handy. And it probably will at some point. I know all accounts don't need a password. But for e.g.

    My mum needs to use the scanner, she tells my brother to do it, i'm not at home, she can't access it because the computer denies the scanner access in standard mode, it needs administration mode.

    No I can't teach my mum how to use it, it just won't work, she probably will eventually tell me that she can't find the logout button. I would have thought of all of this already. It's because of my parents that I'm restrained about what actions I can do on the computer.

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    This does not condone spying and this discussion ends here. I will not help someone to spy on someone else.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Spying is justified, dependent on the case.
    True, and from what I understand, some countries take the stand that if the equipment belongs to the company, the company can monitor its usage as necessary.

    On the other hand, Elysia has a point: whether company or family, you should show some respect and inform your brother that he will be monitored, citing your reasons for doing so. Of course, you must also respect his privacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    This does not condone spying and this discussion ends here. I will not help someone to spy on someone else.
    I don't really need help to spy on others. I'm quite capable of doing it, it's just that there are not many 'free' spy tools that are good, but then again, I haven't really searched for free remote desktop control apps before

    But doing a quick search typing 3 words:

    http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...G=Search&meta=




    Don't feel too bad, you haven't helped me spy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    On the other hand, Elysia has a point: whether company or family, you should show some respect and inform your brother that he will be monitored.
    When I do need to, I probably will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    True, and from what I understand, some countries take the stand that if the equipment belongs to the company, the company can monitor its usage as necessary.
    Remember that in some countries, like mine, it's illegal to surveillance someone without first properly informing him or her that you are doing it. This applies to stores, companies and it would apply to individuals trying to surveillance someone else, too.
    Not to mention you are severely damaging someone else's privacy.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Remember that in some countries, like mine, it's illegal to surveillance someone without first properly informing him or her that you are doing it.
    Even if it were legal to monitor without informing, it would still be unethical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Remember that in some countries, like mine, it's illegal to surveillance someone without first properly informing him or her that you are doing it. This applies to stores, companies and it would apply to individuals trying to surveillance someone else, too.
    Not to mention you are severely damaging someone else's privacy.
    This 'privacy' issue has led to many a time criminals getting away and employees abusing the system.

    Governments and companies aren't interested in finding out grandma's secret hotpot recipe, it's only if you are doing something wrong you should be worried, and then again if it's stuff like financials then you probably shouldn't be doing it on a work place computer. And plus I think nowadays people working on computers are informed beforehand when they join the job that computers are being monitored. So it isn't really an issue there.

    I don't give a crap about what my brother really does, besides finding out what he is doing to screw up the computer often and actually proving it to him. Also the fact that if he watches porn or not which I don't want him to, especially on a family computer. That is by far a bigger issue rather than debate whether I'm 'infringing' his rights, especially when you are implicitly quoting the electronics act which is ever changing and is really a generalization to keep everyone happy.

    Elysia, eitherways I think it's funny that you are saying spying is wrong, because I think it's pretty much well known that companies and governments are constantly doing it to each other, not on the software basis alone, but physically, the very countries that enforce it, also break it, so it's rather contradictory.

    I 'spy' not because I want to read my brother's love letters or to see the latest round of poker that he is playing, but for reasons I have mentioned above, I have a younger brother who is 5 and uses the computer downstairs too.

    Eitherways, I will 'inform' him, if I ever intend to monitor him in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    Even if it were legal to monitor without informing, it would still be unethical.
    Depends, if it's at the workplace, no.

    At the workplace, you are meant to be working, not personal stuff. So it's really the person being monitored that is at fault.

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    At the workplace, you are meant to be working, not personal stuff.
    That's besides the point. The point is that the invasion of privacy without warning is unethical. That the employee abused company resources is another matter, especially company policy on private use of company computing equipment varies.

    And plus I think nowadays people working on computers are informed beforehand when they join the job that computers are being monitored.
    That could be due to law, or it could be due to ethical concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    That's besides the point. The point is that the invasion of privacy without warning is unethical. That the employee abused company resources is another matter, especially company policy on private use of company computing equipment varies.
    But who sets these 'ethical' standards? What's the basis of all of this.
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    But who sets these 'ethical' standards?
    Reasoning and introspection, e.g., would you like to be monitored without your knowledge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    Reasoning and introspection, e.g., would you like to be monitored without your knowledge?
    EDIT:
    If I was at work, no i wouldn't mind. I actually subscribe to 'responsibility' if I was caught doing something at work and I didn't know they were monitoring, it's still my fault, not their fault.

    If I was at home, yes i would, because no needs to monitor me there, unless I was doing something wrong again, like MESSING UP the family computers.

    Eitherways 'reasoning' seems to vary a lot these days, so that doesn't really hold.
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    If I was at work, no. I actually subscribe to 'responsibility' if I was caught doing something at work and I didn't know they were monitoring, it's still my fault, not their fault.
    That only shows that it is unethical for you to use the company's computer irresponsibly. It does not show that it is ethical to monitor the computer without your knowledge (e.g., the ethics of duty here could apply in both directions).

    If I was at home, yes, because no needs to monitor me there, unless I was doing something wrong again, like MESSING UP the family computers.
    You're missing the point: I am not arguing that it is the monitoring that is unethical, but the lack of prior warning that is unethical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFonseka View Post
    This 'privacy' issue has led to many a time criminals getting away and employees abusing the system.
    That's different. Sometimes there is need for surveillance. But spying on someone without really good cause is just plain wrong. There must be a line drawn somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by JFonseka View Post
    Elysia, eitherways I think it's funny that you are saying spying is wrong, because I think it's pretty much well known that companies and governments are constantly doing it to each other, not on the software basis alone, but physically, the very countries that enforce it, also break it, so it's rather contradictory.
    How so? I never claimed I like companies or governments spying either. It should all stop, if you ask me.

    Quote Originally Posted by JFonseka View Post
    I 'spy' not because I want to read my brother's love letters or to see the latest round of poker that he is playing, but for reasons I have mentioned above, I have a younger brother who is 5 and uses the computer downstairs too.
    You realize that typically a front approach works better than just trying to deny everything for someone?
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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