Should this board be a Java board? [Archive]

nvoigt

11-15-2001, 01:59 AM

Java is crap compared to C#. But that is no reason not to set up a messageboard. However, C# is very close to the C family of languages, as you see when you write unsafe code. And after all, this is cprogramming.com

-KEN-

11-15-2001, 03:18 PM

we can close the pointless thread now.

Xterria

11-16-2001, 05:08 PM

it isn't pointless
I don't like you anymore

-KEN-

11-16-2001, 10:01 PM

actually, it is. I'm more-than-convinced (hah!one whole word!) that this forum will STAY C# and never turn Java. Java is no more related to C/C++ than Pascal or ASM.

Not to mention C# is a great langauge. Have you even tried it yet? Even TRIED to learn it? Do that before you decide you want to completely change the only forum for it on the site.

you hate me now? gee, amazing that a 12-year old would say something like that :p just kidding...

Xterria

11-16-2001, 10:26 PM

:mad:
I can't even get a compiler for C#
plus if C# is made by one company then it sucks
its VB all over again

-KEN-

11-16-2001, 10:54 PM

>>I can't even get a compiler for C#

Download the SDK!! How many times can that be said??

>>plus if C# is made by one company then it sucks

exaplin how that's supposed to make sense.

>>Its VB all over again

VB's actually a pretty popular language. And this is lower-level than VB.

Xterria

11-16-2001, 11:04 PM

oooga boooooooooogaaaaaaaaa!!!!!:mad:
I DON'T want to download 128 megabytes of garbage that I don't want and I DON'T want to learn garbage....and I DON'T like you anymore your mean your nasty:(

nvoigt

11-17-2001, 03:16 AM

>I can't even get a compiler for C#

You mean you are unable to download the 120 MB SDK for C# while you would be able to download the 130 MB JDK1.3 for Java ???

>plus if C# is made by one company then it sucks

You mean unlike Java, which is made by Sun only ?
LOL

>its VB all over again

Would VB with C in the background so bad ?

Xterria

11-17-2001, 10:36 AM

I didn't download the 130 megbyte SDK for java I just got Visual Studio:mad: :mad:

-KEN-

11-17-2001, 11:24 AM

As in microsoft's visual studio? so you mean as in Visual J++?

Oh man, nvoigt! you wanna take this one? I'm rolling over laughing at the moment!

nvoigt

11-17-2001, 12:32 PM

For your information and taking the risk of sounding like a broken record: The Visual Studio .NET Beta II can be either downloaded or ordered for free or for packaging & posting costs, which is about 10$ or so. If you think J++ is better... well, there will be a J++.NET, too ( pretty perverted to have J++.NET if you ask me ). Any true Java freak would say J++ is no real Java. I agree. However, I have to say that it isn't neccessarily worse. It's AWT supports UNICODE unlike Suns JDK which is the base for all other Java IDEs. Forte for Java is nice and Borland J Builder is quite ok, too.

If you just got VS, I suggest you get VS.NET the same way.

pssst... and don't let anyone know you use J++ ;)

-KEN-

11-17-2001, 12:35 PM

so anyway, isn't this a C# board? why are we bickering about Java then? I'm learning Java nd C# (although more C#) at the same time. I like them both, but if I had to choose I'd take C#.

Xterria

11-17-2001, 05:07 PM

you guys are mean:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

-KEN-

11-17-2001, 05:36 PM

I love you, Xterria! :D

Hah, we don't TRY to be mean, we're just making jokes! at your expense

Xterria

11-17-2001, 07:21 PM

:mad:

GaPe

12-01-2001, 01:15 PM

My opinion is that JAVA sucks. Beacuse JAVA progs are very slow.

gnu-ehacks

12-01-2001, 11:46 PM

LoL, this is a C board, not a Java board! LoL, I hate J++. It kinda sucks. I like Sun's Java better, because it is made by the originals, not some copycat company that thinks they don't have enough products, although one of their guys is one of the richest guys in the world!

quzah

12-14-2001, 06:15 PM

> LoL, this is a C board, not a Java board!

First off, "C#" is no more C than Java is. That is to say, they're both like C. They both have similar syntax. The both share C keywords. They're both equally similar to C. Or close enough. In either case, Java has as much right, if not more, to have a board on 'CProgramming.com' as C# does. The only reason "C#" got a board is because of the first letter in its name. Java is nearly identical to C++ save for the fact that it has an interpreter that will run native code inside of web pages, where as C++ does not.

They (C++/Java) have similar syntax (VERY similar), similar libraries available to them, similar features. The only reason Java doesn't have a board, in my opinion, is that it doesn't have a 'C' in its name.

Quzah.

GaPe

12-15-2001, 03:25 AM

quzah:

That's a good point.

-KEN-

12-15-2001, 10:07 AM

maybe it's just the fact C# is a better language then :)

Fool

12-17-2001, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by -KEN-
maybe it's just the fact C# is a better language then :)

Please tell me your kidding;)

C# can't be better when it hasn't been proven yet. I think it will do better than J++ did, but I doubt it will fill Java's shoes.

Fool

12-17-2001, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by nvoigt
Java is crap compared to C#.

Spoken like a true moron.

Troll_King

12-17-2001, 04:36 PM

Java is becomming widely accepted, therefore it has a strong market. I think MS waited way too long to come out with .NET, however it is quite obvious that .NET is superior to any other programming environment, and C# has full interoperability with all the .NET framework class libraries.

I wouldn't write off Java but personally I am only going to learn Java so that I can be able to refactor those programs to C# or else I might skip Java entirely. Probably not though.

mithrandir

12-18-2001, 02:22 AM

>>Java is becomming widely accepted, therefore it has a strong market.<<

I would say it's fair to say it is already widely accept T_K. It has had strong market support for the past 3 years, and I don't think that will change overnight. C# and .NET aren't exactly setting the world on fire at the moment, but I guess anything is possible. I don't think C# is a ground-breaking language but it will hopefully lead to more improved OO languages.

Troll_King

12-18-2001, 05:52 PM

If you knew about .NET you might think that C# was designed to facilitate the .NET framework. It is not a stand alone.

mithrandir

12-19-2001, 12:30 AM

The .NET framework operates without C# doesn't it? Hence, why I said C# and .NET (one is a language, the other is the framework for that and other languages).

Troll_King

12-19-2001, 12:53 AM

C# does not operate without .NET! Also C# is the only language that is fully integrated with the .NET framework library, so no they are not exclusive.

mithrandir

12-19-2001, 06:27 AM

>> C# does not operate without .NET! <<

Yes I know that :rolleyes:

nvoigt

12-19-2001, 08:06 AM

>Spoken like a true moron.

Sorry, I don't think people without an informed oppinion can judge me. Go learn both, come back and repeat what you said. I will not dig out the same sample I used in the other threads again just because you are either to lazy to read or unable to comprehend what I wrote.
I delivered a proof-of-concept sample of why I think C# is better. You did nothing but waste space. Put up your own arguments, or show that mine are wrong. Namecalling is not the preferred method of discussion among sentient beings.

Troll_King

12-19-2001, 10:34 AM

nv, not sure where all this proof is that you always claim to have, but anyway....lol.

nvoigt

12-23-2001, 03:49 AM

*g* well, I believe in the concept that when you say something, you should at least be able to deliver a hint that it's true. Fool probably knows this concept as "put up or shut up", but this sounds too much like his level. And I don't like his level of communication. Earlier on this board we discussed Java vs C# not only once but at least three times.

You will find an example of why I found Java to be nearly unusable for professional work here http://www.cprogramming.com/cboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4313

I discussed that in several threads. I delivered my oppinion along with code to explain my concept. I posted Data and my interpretation of it. Fool only put his brainfarts here. Personal oppinion without even a clue of understanding. He is entitled to his oppinion, but with his style of marketing it, his oppinions doesn't earn any respect from me. Anyone could have posted that. My mother, without any knowledge of programming, could have posted that.

Everyone has oppinions. Without facts to back it up, it's worthless chatting.

Troll_King

12-23-2001, 04:15 AM

Actually I thought that that was a rather poor quality thread. I don't think that anyone here knows anything about .NET that could possibly help me in any way at all.

Although insults can get out of hand and it would be nice if they could be avoided, I don't think that trying to answer a question with babble is any better. Although if someone wants to fool themselves than I'm sure this is the place to do it. Unfortunately I have no heart to babble because I'm interested in money and knowledge, rather than being laid back and retired.

This board is a big disapointment because it became littered with babble, but possibly there might come real answers come the future.

I see C# as a language tied to .NET and more importantly .NET's servers. Anyway, I'm willing to set differences in opinion aside and concentrate on the .NET servers, the framework, and even C#, but probably will mostly use www.flashdaddee.com

The simple answer to this thread is that this is a C# board, not necessarily a good C# board, but one none the less. I don't think that the webmaster made great choices but it's not my problem.

-KEN-

12-23-2001, 02:27 PM

uhh..Dean? Hate to burst your bubble but the board was YOUR IDEA. You wanted it hte most, and you got it. Now you're complaining about it? The fact is that most of the people here wouldn't touch C# with a 10-foot pole for some reason or another (mostly stupid ones..."But MS made it! It has to suck!") :rolleyes: . The only people here I think that have any knowledge of C# here are me you and nvoigt.

mithrandir

12-23-2001, 10:34 PM

I would start playing around with it, but I don't have the SDK, and I'm using Windows 98 (from my understanding you can't run the SDK on it). Oh well...maybe sometime in the future.

nvoigt

12-24-2001, 03:19 AM

I don't have '98 anymore, but from what other people tell me, you can have the SDK running. You just can't get the IDE to work, so you will have to use the commandline compiler.

mithrandir

12-24-2001, 04:53 AM

oic, well that would be okay I guess, the only other thing is the SDK download is massive, and my ISP cuts you off after 4 1/2 hours of being online. Can you get it on CD?

-KEN-

12-24-2001, 11:37 AM

Yeah, you can order it from MS or find a store that has back issues of the September edition of MSDN magazine.

I think you aso get it free with a subscription to MSDN...not sure if that's true anymore though.

javaz

12-31-2001, 11:23 PM

I had hard time to read all your comments folks.

What ever will happen to c# I hope all of us will benefit from it.
As some mentioned it is requested by employers very much so.
So could it be the time to expend our horizon.
Of course there is a diferent view point as it is a view from stable employed people and consultant that give their skills or money.
please guys do not be party taker but give professionel opinion.

In this group it is what we need.

Appreciate your reading me

Javaz

javaz

12-31-2001, 11:34 PM

who cares who you like !
life is a list of facts that happen in like. So today it may be the time for C # to show up.

Not that I know C # well personally but you are maybe brrying the alive defore they are dead.

nevermind

all the best
javaz

zahid

01-01-2002, 03:44 AM

Hay..
What you 3 doing over here? Stop fighting each other.

We can suggest another Board for Java. If there is no way, C# is the right one.

Dual-Catfish

01-02-2002, 12:20 AM

Xterria, from reading this thread, and the one nvoigt posted; it seems you're afraid of that which you don't understand.

Troll_King

01-08-2002, 04:18 PM

We all know that nv don't understand much. So what's your point?

nvoigt

01-09-2002, 01:15 AM

>We all know that nv don't understand much. So what's your point?

nv doesn't understand

whats your point ?

Am I the only one to see a sense of irony in here ? I understood what he said. And I think he's probably right :p

sean

01-18-2002, 10:21 PM

i think they should take the hint from the fact that there are more complaints about C# here than questions ABOUT it.

nvoigt

01-19-2002, 01:49 AM

Up to now I have not seen any real complaint that could not have been answered by "get informed before you post". There are different oppinions, you may not like C#, but posting oppinion without even knowing what you write about doesn't hold in my view.