Stress Test: Graphics/CPU intense

[RoD]

As some of you know i just built my buddies pc for him, heres the specs:

Pentium 4 1.8GHZ
512MB SDRAM
GF4 TI4200 128MB
Maxtor 7200RPM 70GIG HDD
UltraCool ATX 12FAN Case

Anyway, i want to ensure that this thing can take the heat, so to speak. All graphics settings are stock and i 3dMARK'd it at 7093, not too shabby. I need some sort of stress test that just slams this thing with graphics/cpu usage for like 30min to an hour and allows me to monitor cpu heat and such(i can do that in the bios but i mean while running.)

I think i member having one before, cpuburn or some crap, can anyone reccomend one too me? preferable within the 20mb range, please.

[Shadow]

If you want a stressful CPU test, download the arcade emulator MAME and cruisin usa or world. Exploit all graphics and sound options(full accuracy).

That requires a 4ghz CPU.

Oh, I see that you want the program to monitor heat..do that with a hand held tool if you have one.

If you don't, I don't know then. :D MAME is the ultimate CPU tester though.

-edit-
It requires a 4ghz cpu non-stop. The game will play unaccurately on anything less.

[Sayeh]

Download "Sandra" from SiSoft. Not only does it have utilities to stress test your equipment, it has many other useful things as well.

[RoD]

Sandra wasn't intense enough. I used CPU burn-in; CPU Burn-in constantly cycles FPU intensive functions for a user specified period of time. The resultant calculations are constantly checked for data integrity, the system i built lasted one hour and 45 minutes, not bad at all.

[Govtcheez]

So, what does that really prove?

[RoD]

that it takes a ****load of cpu usage to overheat it, it shutdown at 150 F because i had the mobo set to kill power at 150 F. This proves that he, someone who would never use the max potential of this machine, won't destroy it because even i wouldn't run it that hott at my hardest draw on it, see?

what are you doing following me just to post :P

[Govtcheez]

Alright - that makes sense...

And no, I don't really care how many posts I have.

[Travis Dane]

Originally posted by RoD
Sandra wasn't intense enough. I used CPU burn-in; CPU Burn-in constantly cycles FPU intensive functions for a user specified period of time. The resultant calculations are constantly checked for data integrity, the system i built lasted one hour and 45 minutes, not bad at all.

What Sisoft Sandra was that? I'm going to try that test too,
M always prepared to see how my PC's stability stack up against
other's, i believe few have the stabality i have:)
M Going to try this tommorow, i l b e b a c k

[Travis Dane]

hmm, RoD what Temp. is that CPU running at? while browsing
around i mean

[itld]

howdy,
i like SiSandra, it seems to be a good general purpose utility for system testing and burn in.

RoD what is the point of burning into to the point of failure. it seems you are just trying to damage or destroy something.

imho burn in testing is NDT not Destructive testing. i can push my box to instability using these utilities but in normal use i never even get near to those conditions.

M.R.

[RoD]

Originally posted by itld
howdy,
i like SiSandra, it seems to be a good general purpose utility for system testing and burn in.

RoD what is the point of burning into to the point of failure. it seems you are just trying to damage or destroy something.

imho burn in testing is NDT not Destructive testing. i can push my box to instability using these utilities but in normal use i never even get near to those conditions.

M.R.

The point is to see at what temp the cpu is unstable to the point of failure, to make sure i limit the max-temp trigger well before that maximum point.

to answer Travis(i think it was), i can push it really hard as far as common use and it stays at or just below 113F.

[Travis Dane]

Mine is stressed around 113 Farhenheit as well, but then again
i got an AMD, they are real feet warmers

[RoD]

My duron should be here in a few days. I still can't believe how big the HSF for the p4 is in comparison to the actual chip lol...

[Travis Dane]

The duron for your computer? (discussed in a topic earlyer)

[RoD]

thats the one, 1.3ghz socket A

[Travis Dane]

I believe Duron's where the best heat productors of them all:)
They could overclock good though, the 1.3 hgz wont come that
far though, i believe the 500 and 600 mhz version where overclock beasts

[RoD]

i considerd a duron 800-950mhz, i don't need numbers to start with, i want the best, most affordable amd performance i can get. I am paying less than 80 for the mobo/proc for this one, any suggestions?

/* Theres a 1.1, 950, 850 Athlons in the same range....233FSB stead of the 133 also

[Travis Dane]

You can get an MSI K7T Pro and a Duron 900 for 80 dollars here,
Really tight though

[Travis Dane]

Originally posted by RoD
/* Theres a 1.1, 950, 850 Athlons in the same range....233FSB stead of the 133 also

hmm, everybody seems to mess up with the FSB, its
100,133 and 166 mhz FSB or 200,266,300 mhz FSB.

[RoD]

well heres the athlon:

http://www.sybercom.com/cgi-bin/sybercom/MB7AIA0C8.html?mv_pc=PriceWatch

and heres the duron:

http://www.fticomputer.com/cgis/detail.cgi?product=MBC-7AJA2E-1300B&ses=&cat=MB-CPU

its mostly going to be a gaming pc, running a ATI Radeon 32mbDDR that i have, but i'd like to be able to o/c it later on. I have had several intel so i want an AMD built by myself, but i need to keep mobo/proc combo at 80 max.

/* your correct, i type'od on the FSb, its 200
*/

[itld]

howdy,

yea RoD i guess if you use the system near the unstable range it would be nice to know when you got to the line. i have mine set at 75C which is 15C below what AMD says is the max. i have not shut down yet.
right now my Athlon MP 2000+ temps are
CPU0 49c/120f
CPU1 54c/129f

totally stable, water cooled.

M.R.

[RoD]

So a liqud cooled AMD runs 7 degrees hotter than a regular pentium? interesting, may i ask what your LCing system is? Like the make/model.

[itld]

howdy,
my cooling system is:
Swiftech Extreme H2O-22500-A
it has all 1/2" tubing and uses Swiftech MCW5000-A blocks

it is kind of interesting that on a dual proc boars one CPU runs hotter than the other one, but it was like that with the Thermaltake air cooled heat sinks as well.
The water cooler didn'nt real have much effect on the temps at idle but under load (Q3A for an hour) they would both go up to 70C but with the water system niether of them have ever gone over 59C

M.R.

[RoD]

How does the Dual AMD system run? To my knowledge you won't really use both of them daily correct?

[itld]

howdy,
i am in the CAD business, running AutoCAD under Win2K pro is a rather interesting thing.
both proc see some load but together they never go over 50%, if i swithch AutoCAD to run on a single proc it will load that up to 100%. i have run render tests and found that render times are similar using both procs and using one proc.
as far as performance goes, i'm not in a real position to say. i traded an Athlon 750 for this dual proc box. but as far as i know this box screams.
in AutoCAD i don't even see the splash screen during start up, Q3A (my favorite game) runs smooth and seamles with all effect maxed, i'm sure my GeForce4 Ti 4200 128mb video card has helps.
i put this box together as a CAD station and at this point i have been very happy with it.

specs

MB Asus A7M266-D
procs 2 AMD Athlon MP 2000+
mem 2@512mb DDR ECC pc2100
video eVga GeForce4 Ti 4200 128 MB AGP 4X
as far as the rest of the stuff it is pretty average


M.R.

[RoD]

u got that for a 750 athlon?????? DAMN.

[itld]

howdy,
u got that for a 750 athlon?????? DAMN.
LOL
yea an Athlon 750 and a 1000 dollar bill.

actually i gave the 750 to my kids and they gave thier PII 233 to the baby sitter.

M.R.

[RoD]

o i was bout to move near you!

[Travis Dane]

Originally posted by itld
right now my Athlon MP 2000+ temps are
CPU0 49c/120f
CPU1 54c/129f

totally stable, water cooled.

M.R.

My Athlon XP 2000+ runs at 35C, totally stable,AIR cooled

[RoD]

hey trav whats your take on that 1.1ghz link i listed, good deal? Better than the duron?

[Travis Dane]

I'd go for the Duron combination, reasons:

#1: Motherboard that comes with the duron is superb compared to the athlon motherboard
#2: Athlon has better floating point calculations,but you will only notices those in very dependend games like Unreal Tournament, besides the 200 mhz makes up for the lack.

[RoD]

What do u mean by the 200 picks up the slack? Also, theres a few other motherboard combos in my price range:

$72 - Duron 1.2GHz with cpu, fan
$69 Duron 1.1GHz with cpu, fan
$68 - Duron 1GHz with cpu, fan
$65 - Duron 950 with cpu, fan
$62 - Duron 900 with cpu, fan
$72 - Duron 850 with cpu, fan
$66 - Duron 600 with cpu, fan
$69 - Athlon 950 Sock A with cpu, fan
$67 - Athlon 850 Sock A with cpu, fan
$59 Athlon 750 SLOT A with cpu, fan
$54 Athlon 700 SLOT A with cpu, fan
$75 Duron 1.3GHz with cpu, fan
$73 - Athlon 1.1GHz 200 with cpu, fan
$73 - Celeron 950 with cpu, fan

[Travis Dane]

Originally posted by RoD
What do u mean by the 200 picks up the slack?

The duron's 200 mhz extra makes up for the lack of floating point calculations that the athlon has extra.

I'd go for the duron,duron,duron,duron

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[RoD]

ok, one more question.

Say i get the duron 950, with a better fan could this be run to outperform the 1.3 duron?

And just out of curiosity, how does the celeron match up here? Never used one jus curious.

[Travis Dane]

All durons above 700 mhz dont overclock very well, so no you
arent going to be able to push it to 1.3 ghz.

Celeron's are competitors of the Duron, but are much more
expensive. The celeron however is being produced up to 2,2 ghz.

[RoD]

hmm ok i'll go with the duron 1.3 then, thnx ofr the help.

[Travis Dane]

You're welcome, again:
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[RoD]

hehe ok so heres the projected specs we are looking at after i buy it all, not including the case as if i have too i'll use it with no case till i can afford it, won't be the first time haha.

AMD Duron 1.3GHZ
704MB SDRAM PC133
ATI Radeon 32MB DDR AGP
24x10x40 OEM Burner Drive
20GIG Maxtor 7200RPM Drive
Sound Blaster LIVE 128MB

Total, with the case, it is running me an over-estimated price of:

230.00

The 230.00 is RAM, Case, Radeon, SB Live, Proc/Mobo

[Travis Dane]

Originally posted by RoD
704MB SDRAM PC133

That's not an number in the power of 2 (64,128,256).
Could work just fine,but could result in an conflict wich randomly
crashes your pc (had it many times in the far past).

[RoD]

It was

512
128
64


would i be better to cut the 64 and leave slot 2 open(third slot, but they go 0, 1, 2 if i am correct) ?

[Travis Dane]

I would only use 512 because as i said its even then, anyhow,
you should at least remove the 64 mb, that might entirely
create problems, such a weird memory combi.

[RoD]

i can do 512, i'm getting most of it at really great prices:

DDR - 20.00
SB - 15.00
128 - 5.00

my buddy is like a pc warehouse for that kinda stuff, now i don't need to give him 5.00 for the ram, i'll just pay the 40.00 for the 512.

[itld]

howdy,
My Athlon XP 2000+ runs at 35C, totally stable,AIR cooled
wierd, i have heard other folks say the same thing, the 2 MP's i have come out of post at about 35c but as soon as the OS loads they are at 40 easy and idle in the mid to upper 40's.
i wonder if my temp diodes are wrong or if this set up's personality is just to run hot???

M.R.

[RoD]

You have two proc's in one case, imo that would make a bigger difference to the temp of each chip than someone who has one.

[Travis Dane]

When i come back from a game of Half Life its temped at
38C, but then again i have quite (<- spelled wrong,please correct me) a GodLike cooling, even though it's air cooling.

[RoD]

my cooling owns u, this is my p3 500 SLOT 1. I reipped its heat sink off and replaced with two large heatsinks side by side with three ball bearing, purple painted fans haha. Pics kinda crappy cuz i'm tired, get u a better oen tommorow if u want.

[itld]

howdy,
i had a couple of 7200 rpm fans in my box befroe i went to water, they worked great but they made a lot of noise, along with the 4 case fans and 2 power supply fans. the main reason i went to water was for noise reduction.

M.R.

[RoD]

i want liquid cuz no one i know has it! My fans are pretty quiet....how much was your LC unit?

[itld]

howdy,
the complete kit included everything:
2 water blocks
pump
hoses
radiator
2 120mm fans
relay board (this turns the pump on when the PS comes on)
mounting stuff
water additive
thermal paste (artic alumina)

~275.00 + shipping

i got it direct from Swiftec, they took 2 weeks to ship it you could probably get it faster from a dealer.

i got in my box a few minutes ago and moved some stuff around now my temps are CPU0 43c, CPU1 48c.

M.R.

[RoD]

the kit i am looking at is 99.99, here:

http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_www.cgi?cart_id=1198120_172_16_32_57&Pagecode=COOLING&Item_code=WAKI_AHNX_IC_BE&USER_ID=www