Thread: Communist

Hi!
The idea of communist is a good idea, but as a form of government it´s not too good as you can see on different examples.
The best answer to a bad form of capitalism(Microsoft) is Open Source.

klausi

First and foremost, communism is not a political movement or
government. It is a philosophy, same as Christianity, Bhuddism,
Taoism, democracy, despotism, anarchism, etc. It is not endemic
to anything but one's own personal set of beliefs. Marx and Engels tried and failed to create a political movement under the
name "communism," but their definition and subsequent implementation of what they called communism strayed far and
wide from the true meaning of communism, that is--commune-ism-
to live together and share one's life with others as a single
cooperative entity. It's a pie-in-the-sky type of philosophy that
idealists and charlatans from all walks of life, ages, and eras have
espoused but have never lived up to for the simple reason that
to live your life as a communist entails living a life without sin.
Most, if not all philosphies strive for some sort of perfection as
their ultimate goal, and most if not all of them fail miserably in
their results. Philosophies such as communism are like the
proverbial carrot on a stick that set ideals for living that are unattainable, unecessary, unwarranted, and really unwanted
by people who know well in advance that they could no more be
a communist than they could a priest.

rick barclay

Yeah, I'm not for communism. I don't like the idea that I come up with an idea for something, sell it, and become rich, just to have it all taken away from me. I'd gladly give to poor people, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to help out everyone...It's impossible to have communism without freeloaders.

It's so weird to hear people say..yes great in practice..WILL never happen. You sure are smart people. To know now that in the furure it will be imposiible. Nobody seems to learn from the past...people decide somethings impossible all the time..and a hundred years later..boom, it happens. Is it possible now? ha. not a chance. But the social changes that will occur you have no clue of. Just as the men of long ago had no clue how we would be. Some say that were just as bad now as then. We still kill and murder and what not. Bull. We have grown by leaps and bounds. And we arnt done growing. Its a classic mistake. Every generation thinks they are the peak. That man has reached its height with them. So egotistical. The past is your window to look out from under the umbrella of stupidity.

Originally posted by TrojanGekko
It's so weird to hear people say..yes great in practice..WILL never happen. You sure are smart people. To know now that in the furure it will be imposiible. Nobody seems to learn from the past...people decide somethings impossible all the time..and a hundred years later..boom, it happens. Is it possible now? ha. not a chance. But the social changes that will occur you have no clue of. Just as the men of long ago had no clue how we would be. Some say that were just as bad now as then. We still kill and murder and what not. Bull. We have grown by leaps and bounds. And we arnt done growing. Its a classic mistake. Every generation thinks they are the peak. That man has reached its height with them. So egotistical. The past is your window to look out from under the umbrella of stupidity.

Some things change, but not people. People, today, are exactly the same as they have always been throughout all of recorded history (20,000 + years). The situations change, the circumstances and the particulars, but the themes, the "human nature" has remained the same.

Communism won't work because it runs contrary to practically every fundamental truth about nature and human nature. Communism says the strong protect the weak; nature says the weak die, and the species is strengthened. Communism says that nobody can have possessions, yet human nature is to desire possessions.

We are not the peak of evolution, certainly, but communism isn't even on the right road. It's NOT a good idea. It's a kind of feel good philosophy that, even if you could implement, would cause far more harm to humanity as a whole than it would do good. It's like an "and they all lived happily ever after". Sure, it makes you feel warm and cozy inside, but few people truly consider what a horrid world it would be if everyone DID live happily ever after. It's the most dangerous kind of theory, because, given a cursory glance, it looks fair and wonderful; only if you truly consider the ramifications does it become apparent that it's a damned terrible idea.

To those who seem to think that somehow, freeloaders, etc. won't happen, here's this question: In your communist ideal, what would you do if I simply refused to work? Or hoarded objects/food/whatever? What happens if people WILLFULLY CHOOSE not to follow your system? Either you allow the system to fall apart as people, in their selfishness and desire for power, sieze everything they can, or you force them to work, and take what they hoard, and then your "ideal society" amounts to nothing more than a society of slaves, forced to work for "the common good".

> 2. Since Communism is not a form of goverment you can not say that Communism causes Oppression, the people in charge of the country is what causes oppression.

While talking about communism one must remember what it has done while merged in to a country. Countries that have been communists (you know what I mean) have killed their people. Is this 'cause of communism? Perhaps, 'cause in a communist country a dictator is much like in a same position as was Hitler (except that Hitler was widely liked unlike Stalin/Mao).

> [...] but the cops are part of the goverment so they would no longer have any police force so crime would sky rocket. Now you see your neighbor has something you want with no cops to worry about you go over, kill him, take anything you want.

Remember me never come near you unless we're in a police station...

I believe that it's the current society that brings that kind of problems. However, anarchism doesn't explicitly say that there shouldn't be police or something equivalent...

> Some things change, but not people.

Saying I know/never/nowhere/etc. is something that I call lying...

> The situations change, the circumstances and the particulars, but the themes, the "human nature" has remained the same.

I believe that, there's no such thing as the ``human nature'' (note the b-word). Human is affected by situations, circumstances just like is the composition of a water as it flows from the mountain, through a valley, across the fields to an ocean.

Communism is great in theory, but in reality it has yet to be proven to work. I'll stick to Democracy. Something about communism I don't like is that when you nationalize everything and provide everyone with the same amount of benefits no matter how you are. Health or whatever, there is not insentive in people to prosper. I mean if you get the same amount of food or whatever as someone who works hard, why even work at all, if you are going to end up getting those same benefits as the other hard working person. Anyways this is one theory of it, whether or not it's practice this way that depends on the person in power. I think that one of the greatest strength of the US and it's Democracy and that everyone has the power to succed by hard work, this is a great insentive which make the whole country better.

Marx was an idiot. At the end of his book he said that after "communism" was in affect people would just sit around on their butts all day, doing nothing. Idol hands are the devils workshop. We sit on our butts all day anyways.

Communism is the idea that there should be no government. IT wouldnt work. With no government there would be no cops, with no cops there would be no order, with no order there would be no human race or reason to live.

Know what I mean vern?


And we dont live in a democracy, no matter what the government says, we vote and such, the average joe can run for president. It still aint democracy.

"Further, if humans really did change enough for the entire world to accept communism, we would deserve to go extinct; we'd be halfway there already."

That really depends. Whos to say that state would be so bad? if we were there it wouldnt matter...its only to us that arnt there that wouldnt want to be like that.