But in fact stupid is more correct. Stupid is a level of intelligence, just as is moron and genius.Originally Posted by loopy
1) Who said these people were catholic
2) The catholic church does not forbid nor encourages the use of unnatural birth control.
Religion in of itself is not good nor evil. People's actions based off of the religion is good or evil.
well put thantos. As with all things u cannot ensure interpretation, and religion is one of those flawed logics that is interpereted in so many different ways, can we really say it IS flawed?
Good to know, but, ignorance seems to be a better word, it connotes as to unaware, which makes more sence, when stupidity is just to general for me.
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I'm almost certain the article is false. The need to mention religion at all in the article seems to be part of the joke. Of course, the specific religion is not mentioned in order to give the article mass appeal.
Stupid is only a derogatory word for the appearance of lack of intelligence.But in fact stupid is more correct. Stupid is a level of intelligence, just as is moron and genius.
I think you are incorrect. The Church considers unnatural birth control, such as condoms, a mortal sin but natural birth prevention such as the rhythm method not a sin.2) The catholic church does not forbid nor encourages the use of unnatural birth control.
I am catholic and have close connections to the catholic heirarchry and doctorain, I assure you that in the last 25 years the Roman Catholic church has relaxed its position on masterbastion and birth control. As I said it does not encourage the use of condoms and such but at the same time it is no longer considered to be a grevious sin (There are only 7 mortal sins). The main reason it does not support condoms and such is the fear that it will cause an increase in premarital sex.
>>I think you are incorrect. The Church considers unnatural birth control, such as condoms, a mortal sin
I must have missed that memo. Premarital sex is a sin, and by that they are discouraged, but they are not a sin. They may lead to a sin, but that doesnt make them an actual recognized sin imo.
I'm not really all that close to the Catholic heirachy, but I will try to putforth what I believe to be correct. According to the catechism, masturbation and birth control such as condoms are mortal sins. My experience, however, has been that some priests, very good priests, don't know this or are unwilling to shove it down people's throats. In any case, the possibility of mortal sin is up to the individual to search their hearts to determine whether they have committed a mortal sin, though this is seen by some to be problematic in the case of cloudyness resulting from the sin. There are certain circumstances that would mitigate both of these sins and these are mentioned in the catechism. If liberaly intepreted, you could have the same situation that you've mentioned; I do not feel such an interpretation is correct, even though it implicates the actions I've committed.I am catholic and have close connections to the catholic heirarchry and doctorain, I assure you that in the last 25 years the Roman Catholic church has relaxed its position on masterbastion and birth control.
7 deadly sins, not 7 mortal sinsAs I said it does not encourage the use of condoms and such but at the same time it is no longer considered to be a grevious sin (There are only 7 mortal sins).
Although the introduction of modern birth control seem to increase premarital sex, the Catholic church considers birth control a sin because it divorces the true purpose of sex from the marriage.
Now I think you are somewhat correct in believing the Church has changed her views. We don't have to believe pleasure involved in sex is wrong insofar as it is in accord with God's will. And I think this is the departure from Thomas Aquina's view of sex. We don't, have to believe the production of children offsets something bad involved in sex or anything like that.
And so natural birth control is not wrong. Though the intention of natural and unnatural birth control are practically the same, there is a slight difference in that natural birth control is not forcibly "stopping" God from using the act to procreate any more than God would force a couple to procreate. The stoping of God is up to interpretation. I have no clue what it means for an all-possible God to be stopped, but I think it has to do with blocking God by making an action go against his nature.
nice one anonytmous
hows that link relevant?? It says undetermined. They dont know if its fake or not they're assuming.
Moving on.
It is not officially considered a sin. Its not encouraged, but there is NO written documentation accepted by the entire religous community to verify what you are saying. If you found some, please, enlighten us!Although the introduction of modern birth control seem to increase premarital sex, the Catholic church considers birth control a sin because it divorces the true purpose of sex from the marriage.
