Thread: Future President of US

>>vote communist. i would.

if you're not being a dumbass, explain why.

Yes there are major differences between ideal Communism and how Communism has been implemented in the world so far, but even ideal communism has a major flaw in it in my opinion. I think its major flaw is the fact that it calls for a bloody revolution in order for Communism to be spread throughout the world.

>>Are you talking about ideal communism? If so, I would agree that communism would be a valid choice.

ideal communism sounds nice on paper, however, is unreachable for our pety minds. Often this utopian dream ends in a dystopian reality.


>>why would i not be serious? go and read up about communism if your interested. i don't see you asking any democrats and republicans to justify their vote?

I asked you because you just blurted something out without giving any explanation. Most others, whatever party they might follow, give some supporting ideas. And for your information I have read "about communism" - more then you could even think of.

>>I think its major flaw is the fact that it calls for a bloody revolution in order for Communism to be spread throughout the world.


pfffttt.... where does it call for that?!? any evidence davidP?!? on the contrary, idealist institutions such as socialism and anarchism, in its purest form, call for a peaceful revolution. Hagel, Fourier, or Marx never wrote about a "bloody coup" - what happened in Russia, for example, was a poor perversion of the ideal communist revolution.

Damn it....sorry about the 3 posts in a row, but to anyone who favors the "communist way", I suggest you take up two books, and after reading them if your mind does not change than I don't know what will.

1. The Devils - Fyodor Dostoevsky (this is also known as "The Possessed" or "The Demons")
2. We - Yevgeny Zamyatin

both of these are fiction/novels. The former is a magnificent premonition of the revolution in Russia, and the latter is an account of a full blown socialist state. Actually, both 1984 by Orwell and A Brave New World by Huxley have taken ideas from Zamyatin. It is also an interesting fact that after "1984" became famous, critics asked Orwell if he has ever heard of Zamyatin and of "We" - of course he denied it, as he was a hardcore anti-Russian...after his death, multiple, fully annotated, copies of "We" have been found in his library.

one more thing on communism (this is a sort-of paradox though) - the major flaw of communism is not the idea itself but the people. That is, whatever happens, a communist state is always bound to end in the majority being slaves/sheep and a ruling minority with a despotic leader.

A great read for this is "The Grand Inquisitor" also by Dostoevsky. It is a chapter of The Brothers Karamazov but is also reprinted alone as it is one of the most intriguing and influential pieces of literature ever written.

I was for the war in Iraq but I too think we should leave now. It's quite clear that all those people want to do is fight over something 24/7. Its unfortunate for the percentage of the populous that really wants to make something of their country.....that part I think we never see on the television because it doesn't make for good news. But it is time to leave.

As for putting Kerry into office....just not comfortable with it. Bush has not done a terrible job....not that I think being the President is in any way an easy job or that I'm qualified to even judge such a position....but I'll probably go with Bush.

I really wish that we would stop mud slinging to gain the presidency in this country, however. Getting personal in a debate is one sure sign of an immature debate and yet we condone this type of debating all the time. Every presidency follows a pattern if you haven't noticed.

First they go through their honeymoon period where the country for the most part likes them. Then they start to make policies which not everyone agrees with and thus begin to lose popularity and the landslide begins - 4 years later they are near 50% approval and 50% disapproval. Truthfully you can't win because your job is to make everyone happy....and we all know that you cannot do that.

Overall I think Bush has done a fairly good job of leading given everything he has had thrown at him. If you think about it this is not the same country that Bush inherited from Clinton...it's not even close. 9/11 changed everything forever and so he has had a very difficult job and I think he has been a fairly good leader in most instances.

Selecting a Presidtential candidate is like purchasing a car. You look at one car and think man I love the color but the thing only has a 4 cylinder. So you look at another that has a V6 but it doesn't have the exact color you want. You realize you are never going to find the perfect car and so you compromise and buy the one that suits you best. The same is true of the President. None of the candidates are ever going to be the perfect candidate. Statements like let's get so and so in there to clean it all up....are simply false statements based for the most part on hype and emotion. 2 years later and everyone wants another person in there to clean it all up.

My advice is....don't go with the trends and emotions...go with what truth you can pull from what the candidates really believe and how they stand on issues important to you - not easy to wade through all the crap and hype....but you can with enough research. Just because an issue is important to someone else...doesn't mean that issue is important to me and thus that will not affect my decision to vote or not to vote for a certain candidate. That's the beauty of the American system.

However if you do not vote I personally feel you have absolutely no room to talk negatively towards the current or the future President. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. And yes we all know the debate surrounding 'my vote doesn't count because of the electoral college' and while it has some validity it does not give us a license not to vote. But again in America you have the right to vote just as much as you have the right not to, and you have the right to choose whomever you please...within certain constraints of course.

For me, Bush's stances on the issues at hand...or the ones that affect my vote are more in line with how I view things. Doesn't mean Kerry is a bad candidate....just not my choice.

Some of us apparently are more led by emotions and radicalism than logic - on both sides. I trend away from radical all-encompassing statements because there are always 2 sides to any story....and usually we are only given one or half of one side. But again...we are all entitled to our opinion....but I'm just not that radical for any one party because they all have their flaws.

It's been proven that most voters who do vote are seriously misinformed about the candidate they choose. We are lazy voters and usually choose based on what is spoon fed to us by the media - for both sides - Republican, Democrat, or whatever it may be.

Bubba's post should be stickied! seriously though, I agree with almost everything you said. The reason I don't want to vote for Bush, is that I am scared of what he might do next. If he gets reelected he has a free sleigh to do whatever the hell he wants...and from the looks of it, this means, taking away our (American) freedoms. It is ironic how we are fighting to bring freedom to other nations of the world, and at the same time our own freedoms are being raped. Even though, we are still, by far, one of the most democratic and free peoples of the world, I want to keep it that way...