What makes a good song?

**afreedboy** · 12-30-2003

BTW, to make a hiphop song with PC, which software is the best? I try ACID 3.0 Pro. But it lacks of sample. And also I don't want to use samples they have created already. I want to creat myself. Is it possible me to do with just PC??

**doubleanti** · 12-30-2003

>I want to creat myself. Is it possible me to do with just PC??

Well, I also faced your dilemma so, using Cubase as I am, all I could do is get the percussion to sound a bit more hip-hoppy, as it were. What you could do is simulate dj scratch doing a bit of guitar fiddling, though I do think you may not have that handy. You may try sampling and remixing off records you have or, mp3s rather, lying around the house or harddrive? =) Let me know how your experiments go I would like also to pursue such an avenue! =)

hth!

**Waldo2k2** · 12-31-2003

try this:

http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/djpimp/First.mp3

finished mixing that tonight with my friend nate.

**doubleanti** · 01-05-2004

Aw phooey I won't be able to have a listen until Tuesday when I get back to Uni... shucks...

Man I wish I could do some waveform shaping but I don't know how just yet... and the sounds coming out of my brother's effects rack well I've heard them just too much, or maybe I'm just spending too much time with this. At any rate, if somehow I ever am able to sell this CD I shall inform you all...

Any ideas? So far I guess you can use soft attack to simulate a violin but I'm rather lazy to learn to program the Line 6's he has cascaded... Does anyone happen to know where I would go about getting addon's for Cubase? I wouldn't want to use midi because I don't have the keyboard, and doing it by hand would take perhaps long and I'm happy as it is. Thanks...

**RobR** · 01-05-2004

When (?) it's back up, come to the Making Music forum @FD. You'd be more than welcome.

Meanwhile try www.kvr-vst.com for free & not-so-free add-ons for Cubase (also STW for VST plugins).

If you're interested in sample based stuff, try the free dem of FLStudio (www.flstudio.com). It even allows you to export MP£ files, but not save native FLS files.

Lastly (shameless plug) http://www.whproductions.com/robr/Goodbye.mp3 was done in FLS with Sampletank Free, as was http://www.whproductions.com/robr/fl...dee%20hour.mp3 which is kind of non-melodic rhythmic (but sucks a little).

Later.

**RobR** · 01-05-2004

Originally posted by 1veedo
......it dosn't matter what they say though.

This board needs a smiley for shaking the head.

**face_master** · 01-05-2004

>> I'm trying to stray away from 'band' music and 'guitar' music actually. Thanks.

Uh..why? By "band music" I assume you mean rock...cant help you there cause anything that doesnt have instumentals that are good I cant listen to, Ive never figured out whats so good about a constant "doof doof" noise with some random guy talking about stuff that is lame IMO, or some good looking chick with highly synthesised vocals and light crappy background music.

**ober** · 01-05-2004

I didn't read what everyone else posted... but I think any song can be deemed "good" if it makes me tap my feet or nod my head.

I think the point of this thread is bunk. What is "good" to someone is not necessarily good to someone else. We had a discussion over at FD a few days ago about this.

**RobR** · 01-05-2004

Originally posted by ober5861
I didn't read what everyone else posted...

I think the point of this thread is bunk.

Errrr, then you may have missed the point......

DA just wanted some suggestions.

Please don't let this descend into a "my music is better'n yours" post. (And where's Aran?).

**ober** · 01-05-2004

well... I did skim some of what was said. But the title alone lends itself to misrepresentation... err... yeah. Something like that.

**mithrandir** · 01-05-2004

Dave Brubeck!

**face_master** · 01-05-2004

:: waits for Aran to come along ::

**RobR** · 01-05-2004

Originally posted by mithrandir
Dave Brubeck!

If you're selling, I'll take 5

**ygfperson** · 01-05-2004

rufus wainright? my brother listens to them sometimes... it's worth a try.

as far as a suggestion for what makes a song good...something that's simple enough to be immediately grasped but also complex enough for you to grasp more stuff as you go.

or better yet, something which makes you want to sing along.

**doubleanti** · 01-06-2004

>Uh..why? By "band music" I assume you mean rock...cant help you there cause anything that doesnt have instumentals that are good I cant listen to, Ive never figured out whats so good about a constant "doof doof" noise with some random guy talking about stuff that is lame IMO, or some good looking chick with highly synthesised vocals and light crappy background music.<

Hm, well, for example there is an emphasis on the percussive that drives the rhythm instead of the melody that makes it appealing. The dynamic range is much greater. And on top of that it is not a random guy talking about stuff in such cases, nevertheless there are no vocals in my compliations so worry not of that. What highly synthesized vocals are you referring to? It strikes me in your sea of generalizations that you do not know what you are referring to... please explain...

PS Thanks for all the resources folks, I leave in a few hours for Irvine so I'll be able to check some out soon. Just want to squeeze out a few more tracks before I send these out. Oh and by the way I was wanting some ideas for sonically fresh ideas not only at the level of one wavelength but also so far as well, again, percussive rhythms. Perhaps those are such to be linked to above, well I'll check it out soon enough. Thanks all...

Oh, and any ideas about the importance of musical elements (or parts for that matter) are welcome. It's always nice to hear any of that from anyone here.