Thread: Iraq vs USA

welll, i had a good size response but the DB would not have it so... a shorter version

no chance in hell,

he wont leave, hes planning on making this as painful and as bad for us as he can, hes giving his troops toxn shells, his RG british and US uniforms, and I hear bagdad is ringed with VX(you have no idea how terriblie this $$$$ is), so this is gonna get really nasty really fast. hes gonna try and make it look as if the U.S. and Britain are on a mission of genocide.

lemme just say a have so much respect for Tony Blair now, hes one of the few who did not sell us out for politics and money, he has so much riding on this,
I give him my sincerest thanks, and also to those countries that have stuck with us.

to those hammering vber, give it a sincere thought for a sec, he already mentioned this, but im gonna say it again, if you had to live in israel for a year or two you would probably think a little differently too, remember WTC ok, they deal with this on a 100th the scale up to a little while ago regularly, and the world condems them every time for fighting back, think about seeing your freinds, family, and strangers die, and then get slammed for wanting to stop the ones doing it, i woud be ........ed too.

ok, maybe not shorter.

"SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER
Mar 9 2003

Mike Hamilton reports from Camp Coyote in Kuwait

TERRIFIED Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started.

The motley band of a dozen troops waved the white flag as British paratroopers tested their weapons during a routine exercise.

The stunned Paras from 16 Air Assault Brigade were forced to tell the Iraqis they were not firing at them, and ordered them back to their home country telling them it was too early to surrender."

These are the accounts coming from the "fearsome iraqi soldiers"...

This will be a quick decisive action, nuff said - and the rest of you saying - "someone to find the deaths of Iraqi civillians funny" - you never said anything when saddam was mass murdering his civilians for the last 12years so your whiny comments fall on def earz...

it's the US who really carez about the iraqi civilians - and not the foolz in the streets of europe trying to keep saddam in power.

majority of earthlings think sychdumb hussein is the prime
example of evil on earth.


creatures like sychodum hussein make incompetent
presidents like mr bush, look good.

Well well. Big daddy usa is gone kick its former
step child(saddam) in the butt. now what i cant figure out
is the position of the stupid iranian government
(call them mullahs)
who dont represent even %1 of the iranian ppl
and iranian cultures and are against the war but dont offer
any other solutions.
as the only non ARAB & non SEMITE
country in the middle east iran(the name means"land
of the aryans. its desendents came from south russia 3000
years ago and established the persian empire) was
attacked by sychodum hussein and lost 1 million of its
young boys in that war (50000 by chemical bombs).
plus 100000 survivors crippled by these gas attacks.

at the time(right after iranian revolution). because
of a few minorities(mullahs and their followers)
and their stupid idiocy , iran wasnt popular.
and while iran was under total sanctions by west
(us hostage crisis).
hussein at the time was supported fully, with weapons
and money by following countries.

22 arab countries including kuwate(not syria)140 billion dollars

germany chemical ingredients for bombs&financing

france 120 mirage jets & 25 billion loan

russia 2000 tanks 300 scuds 400 planes&advisors

china 500 tanks 200 scud(B)

and believe it or not;

USA with full satelite support and AWACS support
and by directly entering the war and attacking iran,s navy

advisors(donald rumsfeld at the time was an advisor to
iraqi army) . these help was so crucial that by their own confessions any movement of iranian army was reported
to iraq through washington on minutes notice.

Hypocrytes.

Now mr america wants human rights for iraq. i dont know
about that and i dont care as to why.
but i know one thing and that is that at this junction
sadly or coincidently the interest of the poor average
desolute , helpless iraqi citizen(4/5 of the population)
is shared by no other than mr Big W.

if i was an iraqi i wanted hussein go by any means.

all the peace loving folks against this naked agression
by the us , and i call it that , should remember that
sadam is given the choice to leave iraqi ppl alone but
because of his selfishness and madness poor iraqis
will suffer the brunt of the war. and then they will be:


Free




Edit;
UN should have done this not US.

after the war UN must put in place a law of democracy
for all unellected rulers as such:

"if you enslave your nation UN forces will come to your palace
and cut your head and every member of your family"

SO BE NICE. period

war ? ha .. i hate it !

Originally posted by Vber
And don't get me wrong guys, I'm not an extremist or something from the same type.

Originally posted by Vber
we don't want to kill innocents, we want to kill the perverts like, Nassrala (Tanzim), Ahmad Yasin (Hamas) and yasser arafat.

Originally posted by zahid
I wander to see your bravery and hope. You uncovered your identification. I am sorry to hear it from you. You know? This is why you people will rarely enjoy the peace. But yeah, life will go on.

We are lucky, hope will never happen in our life.

>Anyone think Iraq can possibly win the war?

I don't think so. Let's hope Bagdad will not be a second Stalingrad and that the war will be over as soon as possible with as less victims as possible

Iraq cannot win. There is no time limit to this war and the US lead coalition has air supremacy. In Stalingrad, more Germans were killed than Allied soldiers are participating in this war, mostly because an incompetent leader revoked his generals' orders of maneuver warfare and ordered them to dug in and hold at all costs. And they did so, at a very high cost. So if Bush is smart and lets his military experts make decisions concerning warfare, it will be relativly swift. Thinking that a war will cause a minimum of casualties is naive. People will die. People will get maimed, blinded, wounded, hurt. Soldiers. Civilians. Men, Women, Children. Bombs don't see a difference in combatants or noncombatants.

>> if you had to live in israel for a year or two you would probably think a little differently too<<


I'd rather live in Israel than Palestine. Just my opinion based on these fugures.

Israel
0% pop in poverty
<5% illiterate
6/1000 infant mortality
GDP = 110 $US billions (2000)
GDP growth 6%

Palestein
23% under poverty line
14% illiterate
24/1000 infant mortality
GDP = 4.6 $US billions (2000)
GDP growth negative 16% ie getting poorer

source www.worldbank.org

in Jan 2003 Israelies in terrorist attacks
30 killed
127 injured
(Since 1949 :: only in 1978, 1994, 1996, 2001, 2002 (and already) 2003 did the number of Israelies killed in terrorist attacks rise above 50 per year)

in Jan 2003 Palestineans in terrorist attacks
73 killed
1068 injured
1063 arrested

"The Palestinian Ministry of Health announced in the 2nd anniversary of the Intifadha (9/28/02) that the total number of Palestinian killed by Israelis or died as a result of Israeli occupation practices were 2,520."

"The Israeli Foreign Ministry announced that the number of Israelis killed since 9/26/2000 were 624."




>> it's the US who really carez about the iraqi civilians - and not the foolz in the streets of europe trying to keep saddam in power.<<

Some of us question why now.

Why after twelve years after the Gulf War is it imperitive to go in today and not let the UNSC weapon inspectors, who found most of the WMD last war, not continue.

Wouldn't it be nice if all threads like this were simple...

>>> Anyone think Iraq can possibly win the war?

... simple troll ...

>>> I don't think Iraq can win.

... simple answer... but no, they just amble along getting hot and tedious, spawning others along the way.

edit::

>I'd rather live in Israel than Palestine. Just my opinion based on these fugures.

there's more to life than figures you nerd.

::edit

concerning your number quotes, i hardly believe that 0% of israel is in poverty... that sounds pretty unbelievable, whats the defined poverty level? is it the same for both sides?

second if nations like palistine got some decent leadership and would stop wasting their money and time balming israel for their problems and equiping radicals they might get a decent economy, i dont think Yasser is that bad off.

>
in Jan 2003 Palestineans in terrorist attacks
73 killed
1068 injured
1063 arrested
<

... whose terrorist attacks? israels? whatever.

>
"The Palestinian Ministry of Health announced in the 2nd anniversary of the Intifadha (9/28/02) that the total number of Palestinian killed by Israelis or died as a result of Israeli occupation practices were 2,520."
<

hmm, how many of those people had guns? or were trying to kill israelis?

>Some of us question why now.

hmm, could it have something to do with the new administration? maybe 9-11? you think? jeez thats a toughie to figure out.
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im not saying israels an angel in this conflict, far from it, but they are no where near the level the Palestinians have sunk to, i blame poor leadership.

this conflict has no easy end either, neither sides leadership wants a Palestinian and an Israeli state... but israel has been way more willing to put aside its differences and give the palistinians an amazing comprimize, but the Palestinian leadership, ie Yasser refused to bring and end to it, now only with the fear of U.S. force does he really call off his terrorist minions.

Iraq will not even do this much.


Theres nothing to argue here so don't bother.