Thread: Cloning -- What do ya think?

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    Originally posted by dP munky
    i dont understand? what would be the point cloning a person though? 1 of each of us is enough runnin around here!
    Cloning isn't exactly making a copy of one person. It's more like one egg twins. Same genetics, true. But as they grow they get more and more different.

    Cloning could remove all genetical diseases (alzheimers and such) which is a good thing...
    The problem could be in overpopulating the earth .

    An imortality thought..

    If you clone a human, (or anything else), then introduce the genetic malfunctions which prevent the growth of the brain, (there are several), you have a body, which is not a person, (no brain), that, given sufficient advances in technique, you could transplant the older persons brain into. No rejection worries/drugs. Imortality, just swap bodies every 30/40 years.

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    Hmm, but the brain ages too. It won't last forever...
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    adrianxw>>If you clone a human, (or anything else), then introduce the genetic malfunctions brain, (there are several), you have a body, which is not a person, (no brain), that, given sufficient advances in technique, you could transplant the older persons brain into. No rejection worries/drugs. Imortality, just swap bodies every 30/40 years.<<

    Do we have stop at a frail human body?
    Can I go the full upgrade to terminator style cyborg?
    Or will I only be able to afford just a jar for my brain when my body runs out?

    novacain>>One of the real advantages of cloning is in research you know the organism is an exact copy of the others in the test group and so can eliminate alot of the variation between organisms.<<

    dP munky>>and the advantage of doing that would be...?

    If you are testing chemicals for say, cancer causing agents. Having animals with exactly the same probability to develop cancer will allow more accurate testing or smaller test sizes (cheaper, better for the animals).
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    i didnt even read this thread, but wouldnt it be cool to go up to some reaaaaallllyyy hot chick and take a peice of her hair, go to the store and make a clone of her, take it home and enjoy it :-D this would effectively put in a "natural selection" type evolution that would wipe out ugly people, but i dont see anything wrong with that.

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    Originally posted by Cgawd
    i didnt even read this thread, but wouldnt it be cool to go up to some reaaaaallllyyy hot chick and take a peice of her hair, go to the store and make a clone of her, take it home and enjoy it :-D this would effectively put in a "natural selection" type evolution that would wipe out ugly people, but i dont see anything wrong with that.
    That's only if you're not ugly, Cgawd.
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    i dunno, some people say im not

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    cloning has nothing to do with fixing old people. do you realize that humans are programmed to die. think about that, if we weren't programmed to die new healthy cells would be continually created from mitosis and our body structures would never fail. that means that somewhere in our dna is something that tells our bodies to stop or slow down generating healthy cells. if you cloned a person, that clon would get frail and weak at the same time as grandma, so you would be trying to put out fire with fire.

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    good point! very good point. Why fight death, of course non of us want to die but it happens. i understand there are many medical advances that could me made by cloning healthy tissue to help fight disease but human cloning just for the sake of cloning isnt worth the time and money
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    But is that an objective of cloning? To try and cheat/avert death?
    There are so many practical/non-practical applications to cloning, methinks this topic needs to be a little more specific. What are we talking about? Cloning a perfect army? Cloning the perfect son? Cloning your deceased <insert person/relation>? Cloning for better crops? Cloning for spare parts? Cloning for stem cells? Cloning entire humans? etc etc etc. There are a million ways to look at this.

    i didnt even read this thread, but wouldnt it be cool to go up to some reaaaaallllyyy hot chick and take a peice of her hair, go to the store and make a clone of her, take it home and enjoy it :-D this would effectively put in a "natural selection" type evolution that would wipe out ugly people, but i dont see anything wrong with that.
    Where's the logic in that? You'd have to wait like 15 years for the newborn to mature... even then would she be willing? If so, then you'd be passing on your genetic material (even if you're ugly!)

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    Where's the logic in that? You'd have to wait like 15 years for the newborn to mature... even then would she be willing? If so, then you'd be passing on your genetic material (even if you're ugly!)
    well of course the technology would be available to grow clones fast or soemthing

    and who said anything about having children with the clone? the pretty clones would run off and make it with other pretty clones, then there would be all these pretty clone children and then they will go and clone pretty people and they would have pretty half clone children.....evolution takes time, but it would happen

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    Originally posted by Cgawd
    well of course the technology would be available to grow clones fast or soemthing

    and who said anything about having children with the clone? the pretty clones would run off and make it with other pretty clones, then there would be all these pretty clone children and then they will go and clone pretty people and they would have pretty half clone children.....evolution takes time, but it would happen
    Yes, and "ugly people" would be running off and reproducing with other "ugly people". The chance of "pretty clones" taking over the world is as probable in this age as any one race taking over simply because they reproduce more.

    Oooookay, lets get back to talking about cloning... and not some futuristic sci-fi fantasy world filled with super-attractive clones and maturation chambers.

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    Yes, and "ugly people" would be running off and reproducing with other "ugly people". The chance of "pretty clones" taking over the world is as probable in this age as any one race taking over simply because they reproduce more.
    It is one of those SCIENTIFIC facts that beautiful people are intelligent (what king of the world would **** a bear?). These people have more mating opportunities than their ugly breathen. Therefore you are one of the most beautiful humans that have ever walked the planet. And if you're not beautiful enough then in time you'll meet the evolutionary equivalent of the chop.
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    in time you'll meet the evolutionary equivalent of the chop.
    thats an awsome quote...i like how you put it anyways.....but on the serious not, i only would believe in cloning for the pure factor of using it for organs only if your life was cut short of say the age 100, after u turn 100 you cant use ur clone for its goods, to keep it semi-natural, i mean if you are 20 and ridden with something like testicular cancer and its gonna kill you, then go to ur clone, chop off its orbs, replace urs....but if ur 92 and ur dying of liver cancer because youre a sloppy drunk, then theres no benefit of continuing ur life....to sum it up, if youre young then it would be good to use the spare parts, but if ur old and crusty, let nature take its course.

    also i think if i was bill gates i would be putting money into cloning and genetic choice(or whatever they do to where u can pick if its a girl or boy or something) and i would make a master race of really smart programmers, then as bill gates, i would successfully be a complete monopoly.(yes it is now, but even more so)

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    >>The problem could be in overpopulating the earth

    No more of a problem than it currently is. Theres no concievable way that we could create "cloned" humans at any kind of rate which would have any measurable impact on the population.

    >>go to the store and make a clone of her, take it home and enjoy it

    >>well of course the technology would be available to grow clones fast or soemthing


    Could we have maybe one thread for immature people to babble in, and keep this thread for actual intelligent conversation? Dont mean to be offensive... Oh wait, yes I do. Either you're acting the idiot for attention, or you actually are one. Which is it?

    >>Its all well and good to bring back extinct speices, but not humans

    No its not good to bring back extinct species... Not necessarily. They're extinct for a reason remember. Mother Nature didnt want them in the picture. They may not fit with the current enviroment. It would be simular (though likely worse) to introducing a new species into an alien region.

    >>if you cloned a person, that clon would get frail and weak at the same time as grandma

    True. But there are cells available that have no lost DNA fragments. The so called 'sex' cells. Theres all the data you need to make a new human being. How do you think it works normally?

    >>using it for organs

    Nobody is suggesting this. Where are you getting this stuff from? No wonder there are people against cloning if this kind of crap is in peoples heads.
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    excessive cloning = same genetic material replicated

    evolution relies on ability for a species' genetic code to have unpredictable mutations, the mutations that provide some type of advantage and help that organism survive stay. so to tie my thoughts together cloning is kindof like anti evolution. im not saying it would kill off humans, just throwing out a new idea (or maybe it isn't new, i haven't read all the posts on this thread, they're too long).

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    Oh wait, yes I do. Either you're acting the idiot for attention, or you actually are one. Which is it?
    lighten up douche bag, ever heard of a joke? sheesh, where did those things called sense of humors go....maybe we should clone you one.

    Nobody is suggesting this. Where are you getting this stuff from? No wonder there are people against cloning if this kind of crap is in peoples heads.
    what, are u high? this is one of the biggest points of cloning in the eyes of scientists....i mean, what else would we do with a clone? what would the point of a clone be?-are you so full of yourself you want another one of you so you can be full of both of yourselves?

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