Thread: Microsoft? And what....?

  1. 07-15-2002 #1
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    Microsoft? And what....?

    You see it is simple...

    I like MS products (hmmm XP) and can't understand why all the ppl on this board keep slating them..

    Does no body except me think XP is a highly polished product?- granted ME was supposed to be, but was rushed out etc..

    Does no 1 else think office XP is really NICE? And by NICE I mean useful, helpful and constructive etc.

    I think it's because of Bill Gates, or is he just your scapegoat?

    I think he deserves to be rich as he made a product that EVERY1 wanted at a time when there were very little other options....DOES this make him a BAD man? I think not.

    If, to ease my mind, somebody can say why they dont like MS and its products in a sensible, unbiased way, I would be very grateful.


    Not that I will use it at Uni or anything to make a nice project...lol

    That aside, I am dismayed to find a great number of anti MS on here! TELL me why..........




    I use XP, office XP, outlook, numerous games...UNI uses NT.
    Such is life.
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    I'll have to agree with Fountain's post.
    Just because Microsoft has the monopoly, doesn't mean that
    there software is bad.

    Have you seen a better GUI than XP's?
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    now you're starting to remind me of Rockefeller.
    Last edited by toaster; 07-15-2002 at 06:25 PM.
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    Thank you, the_dog

    I appreciate positive replies...

    Every1 else seems quiet....

    monopolys can produce (and WILL) the best product
    Such is life.
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    now you're starting to remind me of Rockefeller.
    And YOU think this can be applied here? Hmmm bit different methinks...but you have your fun
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    my only complaint against Microsoft would be if they haven't burnt such a big hole in my pocket for using their products. is it worth it? maybe to the wealthy but as a middle class man, half a thousand on this and that really limits my expenses on other products.

    other than that, I remain neutral.
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    "monopolys can produce (and WILL) the best product"

    Monopolys can produce crap products at high prices because they have no competition.
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    Clyde has it in for me tonight...........

    Yes, they can occasionaly produce crap, but in this context we know that MS have not!


    As for the price , yes I agree your pocket may be burnt.....but there is (now) viable options.....why did you not choose differently?

    When it comes to MS NEW licence policy EVEN I have my doubts...

    Free upgrades a thing of the past etc
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    Monopolys can produce crap products at high prices because they have no competition.
    The point of this thread is that Microsoft doesn't make crap
    products.

    It's the haters who reckon there software is crap.
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    "Clyde has it in for me tonight........... "

    Heh don't worry its not personal .

    I like most MS products, i was merely disagreeing with your statement which seemed to imply that monopolys were good.
    Last edited by Clyde; 07-15-2002 at 07:15 PM.
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    monopolys can produce (and WILL) the best product
    Sorry, but I'm with Clyde (and others) on this one. Monopolies produce the only product you can get, which isn't always the best product.
    I happen to think, given time, open source produces a better product.

    My biggest grip with MS is all of the security issues they have. Largely this has to do with the convenience they strive for. People give up security for simplicity. Most PC users are lazy and security is an active process. I run Windows 2000 and Linux. MS does a lot of things right but is all about making money.
    As younger programmers grow up, I think we'll start to see a shift to a Unix OS because they're being influenced early and are growing up with the technology. Plus, if you load up a stock version of RedHat, you'd hardly notice a difference from your Windows desktop.
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    >>Yes, they can occasionaly produce crap, but in this context we know that MS have not!

    Say what?? Although I agree that not everything MS is evil, you cant say that they've never produced garbage. Outlook Express, Internet Explorer, and Windows ME, are all my favorite picks for being basically the worst software to be within 100 feet of.

    Though I dont have XP on my system, I've used it and it appears that it is the best so far. Seems to be quite a step up. I'm also rather taken with Visual C++. Honestly I've never used anything nicer. I was previously quite the Borland fan but VC quitely and slowly won me over.
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    HEHE dont panic, I am still a Borland fan-you are not alone

    To be honest I did not start the post about monopolies...

    There is NO monopoly when some1 else can go out and make the same type of product....

    I know MS had the bother with Netscape etc, but as far as OS go, some1 else can make one without fear of being SHOT!

    So, no more monopoly stuff, just reasons (like the last post ie security) as to why you dont DIG MS...

    It isnt clear yet this...I mean if some1 else wrote a BETTER OS than WINDOWS, they would not be dragged away by the FBI or something...they would be ALLOWED to market it. No monopoly there then
    Such is life.
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    Though I dont have XP on my system, I've used it and it appears that it is the best so far. Seems to be quite a step up.

    Try it and be happy
    Such is life.
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    > That aside, I am dismayed to find a great number of anti MS on here! TELL me why..........

    Because MS is the big boy on the block and it's fun to back the underdog. It's not just here - it's all over the programming community. Search google for "Linux sucks" and for "Microsoft sucks" and see which one you get more responses to (seriously, I'm curious and lazy ).

    I like MS's products, usually (he said, typing in XP Home). XP's a nice, nice OS... I don't have a lot of experience in UNIX environments, but the ones I have had have been pretty negative (it was on Solaris... the negativity can be at least partially attributed to the fact I was using it for homework). What I'm not a huge fan of is certain practices of them, mostly on the business side - licensing, Palladium, among other things...

    edit: hit the button before I was done.
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