Thread: knowledge corrupts

woohoo, another religious thread. Oh joy. The webmaster should add a button to the bottom of each thread which automatically brands it with a scarlet R

*sigh* The thing that bothers me most is that the religous community on this board is represented time and time again by total religous morons...the type of people get brainwashed and only spout what's been regurgitated in their brains. My favorite example was "NOT_BLINDED"...don't remember if it was old board or new board, but that guy was hilarious

I don't know about everyone else, but I constantly challenge almost every facet of my religion..I may say I'm catholic, but to me it means nothing more to me than the fact that I go to a catholic church to worship.

>>But, uh, religion does advocate ignorance...

True enough, but in nowhere near all cases.

>>Heck, even in my own home town it happens. Its everywhere.

3 time here...my brother got confirmed by one, I got confirmed by the other, along with my brother (the infamous Bishop O'Connel, no less - the one who basically exploded this onto the scene), and a rabbi from the place right across from my church.....yeesh. My parents seem to have formulated that the catholic hierarchy is all gay, so they hush all this up. A lot of what they're saying makes sense...the fact that priests can't marry just sort've promotes homosexual priests...

You know, I tried, I really did, i tried not to let this thread sway off topic, I asked people to start a new thread but nooooooooo........

"Obviously you have not been through 4 or more years of theology or any classes related to the field"

No, but my flat mate has, and guess what he thinks? Oh wait this is UN-BIASED theology though, as in study of all religions, the texts, the history, etc. obviously that doesn't count, what was i thinking!

"It is not an easy field and the classes that I took were equivalent in difficulty to advanced calculus"

ROFL, yahuh.

"But you are prob not gonna find this in your average everyday local church member"

This is all beside the point, i was not refering to a specific sect of a specific religion, I was refering to religion as a whole, and it's effect on man kind.

Religion teaches one not to question; here are the answers on a plate, don't think about them, shut up and believe. No? Don't believe me? What's the word.... oh yes, i found it "faith" there we go, the great cop out, the strongest force for ignorance in this world. It is why so many people don't believe in evolution, it is why so many people think the Earth is only 10,000 years old (LOL), it is also why people were so reluctant to accept Galileos conclusions about the Earths orbit, why so many people in religious cultures are so fantastically ignorant of science and the nature of the world around them. They REJECT knowledge, because it disagrees with their "faith", and their "faith" is due to religion.

Yup that five letter word has a lot to answer for, though i must say who-ever dreamed up the idea of duping people into believing the completely irrational, just by calling the "completely irrational" a new word and extoling this new word's virtues, was bloody genius.

"This casts a very bad light on the whole thing but remember that there are very hard working, very knowledeable, very logical, and very moral ministers, theologians, and church historians out there"

Logical!?? LOGICAL! *Has fit and dies*.

"So trust me when I say that the field of religion is not about ignorance nor does it advocate it"

Yes it is, and yes it does.

Originally posted by Clyde

There is hope for you.

Are you coming onto me?

Originally posted by Clyde
This thread is not the place, if you want to debate religion start another one.

EDIT: ROFL that site is funny.

i don't agree Clyde, that site isn't funny, its depressing.

well i'd not usually pull someone for their spelling but i must point out that your spelling of (i presume) epiphany, is truely an absolute gem !!!

"I think some people are just annoyed because religion fits that 'flawed' category and they dont like it pointed out. "
Christianity is not flawed, if anyone ever took the time to study it, they would understand why.

"Just have a hard time with narrow minded people"
like yourself?

Clyde, science supports a young earth, evolution demands an old earth.

physics says: "given enough time and things become less complex"
evolutions says: "given enough time things become more complex"
Hmmm, gee, how about that.

There is proof, according to science, that the earth cannot be 15 billion years old, in fact it can't be more than 40,000!

Bubba, you explained everything better than I ever couldv'e. I give you a nod of freindship and respect.

" *sigh* The thing that bothers me most is that the religous community on this board is represented time and time again by total religous morons...the type of people get brainwashed and only spout what's been regurgitated in their brains. My favorite example was "NOT_BLINDED"...don't remember if it was old board or new board, but that guy was hilarious"

Morons like Mike_K and Bubba? I think that they explained, pointed out, and have shown that Christians can be very wise and understanding people.

"I find it refreshing. Hes tackling the issues that have been deemed 'politically incorrect' by some. I dont see it so much as targetting religion, but as targetting illogical thought processes. You'll notice that wherever theres people spouting off without knowing what they're talking about, you'll find Clyde there to point it out. I think some people are just annoyed because religion fits that 'flawed' category and they dont like it pointed out."

Clyde IS tackling thought processes, but I wouldn't say illogical. Whenever there is a debate there HAS to be two sides, both sides adamatly believe that they're correct and that is how it is sopposed to be. Who's side is logical and true? Why both sides say theirs is of course!

>>Christianity is not flawed, if anyone ever took the time to study it, they would understand

Well, I've studied it. I've read four different bibles cover to cover over the course of my life. How about yourself? I think I have the right to say I know what I'm talking about.

>>Clyde, science supports a young earth, evolution demands an old earth.

Oooh boy. Here we go. *steps back*

>>There is proof, according to science, that the earth cannot be 15 billion years old, in fact it can't be more than 40,000!

Its these kind of outright lies that make me wonder about those "logical thought processes". Where, oh where, do you find this crap? www.PropagandaForTheGullible.com?

>>like yourself?

No sir. I remain fully open to any and all valid data. I seek to find the truth regardless of what that is.

>>Who's side is logical and true?

Well, when one side has extreme probability, and one side has the next closest thing to none... I just cant understand why you would chose the vastly improbable over the highly probable. I really dont understand that.

*sigh* The thing that bothers me most is that the religous community on this board is represented time and time again by total religous morons...the type of people get brainwashed and only spout what's been regurgitated in their brains.
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I don't know about everyone else, but I constantly challenge almost every facet of my religion..

Then I'd have to say; Ken, your OK by me. Although I wonder how you arrived at the conclusions you have regarding the universe, I respect the fact that you have actually thought about it. I cant respect blind faith. You are right that so many people just spout out what their pastor said without actually thinking about what it means. Intelligence and relgion are _not_ mutually exclusive. I vastly prefer to discuss this matter with someone who has actually thought about it rather than just some church-goer who has nothing to say that I havent heard 1 million times.