"Question: was the Bible (original manuscripts) written in the same Hebrew as used today? This might be why... "
No idea, but what he translates is ancient Hebrew.
"Question: was the Bible (original manuscripts) written in the same Hebrew as used today? This might be why... "
No idea, but what he translates is ancient Hebrew.
"Question: was the Bible (original manuscripts) written in the same Hebrew as used today? This might be why... "
Hebrew has been a dead language for almost 2000 years. It has been brought back to life by Israel (around 1950) as their official language, so presumably, it is the same, though they would have had to do a bit of guessing, since no ones around to tell people what all the words sound like.
"YES, I know some of it was in Greek later on, etc."
The New Testament was written in Greek, but I believe the people in the new testament were speaking Aramaic.
Islam is excluded, because the branch occured before christianity"
ERRRM.... nuh-uh.
What I meant was the muslims descended from Ishmael (the jews and christians descended from Isaac) I know mohammed didn't come around until a while later. Therefore, islam is not a perversion of christianity, (and not a cult) since the people split away from judiasm before christianity was even around.
btw, only 32 posts left for longest thread ever!
Last edited by mike_k; 05-15-2002 at 02:18 PM.
"What I meant was the muslims descended from Ishmael (the jews and christians descended from Isaac) I know mohammed didn't come around until a while later. Therefore, islam is not a perversion of christianity, (and not a cult) since the people split away from judiasm before christianity was even around. "
Your definition of cult, is not the same one as in the dictionaries, and according to YOUR definition:
"1. Claims to adhere to at least the basic moral and ethical values of christianity.
2. Denies the divinity of Jesus. Reduces Christ to a minor god, or more often, a prohet sent by God.
3. The founder of the cult often claims to be a prophet or a manifestation of God.
4. The leader claims that his/her revelation supersedes what is written in the Bible. "
Islam is a cult.
Try the Revised Standard Version. It's right here. Tell me what you think.Anyway you can't escape the ark problem so easily, find me a translation that makes sense (no the one you wrote above makes no sense what-so-ever), that does not pose an impossible problem. (no don't just make one up, find a REAL translation).
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/r...e=20&endverse=
Or try this one.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible
check the footnotes
I do hope those are REAL enough for you?
From this link
From genesis 1: http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/...se=20&endverse=
25] And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
[26]
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
so beast before man....
From genesis 2:
19] So out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.
so man before beast....
Nope, no contradiction there........
"the waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. "
So this translation has the water 15 cubits above everest (the fact that not even half this much water exists on Earth doesn't seem to bother you?)
but that is substantially different to:
"Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered"
Clearly one translation is simply wrong. However since i have no way of telling which, i concede that it is possible that the later translation is incorrect.
I didn't read any farther than the first page of this post, due to it HUGE length. Sheesh, that guy banging on the Bush like that is absurd.
napKIN
"The best way to get answers is to just keep working the problem, recognizing when you are stalled, and directing the search pattern.....Don’t just wait for The Right Thing to strike you – try everything you think might even be in the right direction, so you can collect clues about the nature of the problem."
-John Carmack
>>I didn't read any farther than the first page of this post, due to it HUGE length. Sheesh, that guy banging on the Bush like that is absurd.
LOLIf you had looked a the second page, you would see that for the rest [18 pagees or so] the thread has turned into a religion/evolution/etc. thread... I normally look at the first couple of pages, as well as at least the whole last page
Yeah, that dude is a phycho.
This is my signature. Remind me to change it.
Does he do any programming or is he all hooked on religion?
If you mean "he" as the guy that said crap about Bush (first post in this thread), then he is simply "Dr. 'Adel Sadeq, who is also head of the Department of Psychiatry at 'Ein Shams University in Cairo"... not a programmer or anything of the sorts according to the article. I simply brought it up cause it involved the views from the middle east [hence the title of thread].
...if you meant someone in this thread, then I'm sure that they are a programmer stuck on religionjk. I'm sure most of the people on here program, and everyone has their own opinion towards religion.
This is my signature. Remind me to change it.
This whole mishmash is very simple between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
First, some facts:
1) In 2001, Yassir Arafat was offered sovereignity for Palestine. He refused it. In essence, he and a band of thugs seized Palestine by force in the mid 90's, and he likes the power and authority he has-- with no responsibility. That's the keyword. If Palestine becomes a sovereign nation, they will have to have election, and reasonable government and representation. Not at all what he wants.
2) The Palestinians attacked Israel _first_. Israel retailiated. But, using typical mid-eastern 7th-toe mentality that is usually reserved for the inbred, the Palestinians attacked again. Israel again retaliated. The Palestinians attacked again. Israel retaliated. See a pattern here? Everytime the Israelis withdraw, they are attacked by a Palestinian or Palestine.
The Solution--
Kill the Palestinians. Kill them all. Every last one of them, and their dogs. Be done with it. They are the agressor. They are the unreasonable troublemaker.
This is not a mean-spirited solution. This is not an evil solution. In fact, it is the solution most frequently used by God himself. When a 'stiffnecked' people fail to yield and learn, then what? It means they are essentially of no use whatsoever. A waste. The elegant solution is to simply dispose of the material. God slew hundreds of thousands of people for far less than the crimes Palestinians have committed. In fact, if you added it up, its more like He slew _millions_. And that doesn't count the Flood account in the Bible.
Israel and Palestine have been given the Solomon solution already, in 1967. Palestinians have some land, Israelis have some land.
But the Palestinians are still not happy. So they don't like the baby-cut-in-half solution (Solomon), then kill them. Israelis are atleast productive.
On Foreign Policy of the USA.
If I were president, the US foreign policy would be short and to the point. Very straitforward--
1) Every US citizen is sovereign anywhere in the world, no matter where they are. If a citizen is harmed, attacked, assaulted, or molested, in any manner when visiting another nation, the nearest city or the capital city of that nation will be wiped out. Turned into a green-glass factory.
2) If we have to set a soldier on foreign soil, we aren't coming to fight a war and rebuild an economy, or protect the peace-- we're coming to conquer. Period. That nation will be assimilated and become part of the USA. Kill all the men and boys of that nation, put the women into slavery where they belong.
On Iraq and S.Hussein--
This one is not rocket science. Hussein could be taken out by 2 soldiers with a .50 calibre, long range sniper rifle. Or if need be, simply nuke Baghdad when he's in town. Nothing lost-- they've already destroyed beautiful Baghdad many times over, decades past. If he can't be found because he's hiding, kill his family.
People forget that Iran backed off when we killed Qadafi's brother/son (I can't recall which). All the air went out of that blustering fool and we haven't had a real problem with him since.
On Caves in Afghanistan and Air War--
All wars can be won from the air or atmosphere, period. Any fool who says otherwise is absolutely without a brain. You just use bigger munitions.
As for sending American GIs into ratholes in Afghanistan-- completely unnecessary. Instead, just drop a palette at the mouth of a cave that has 200 gallons of gasoline and a big fan with a hood. Affix the hood over the cave mouth, with enough troops standing by to protect the gas-fan device, and then just blow gas fumes into the cave for 6-8 hours.
Once the gas tanks on the palette are empty, a Chinook comes in, grabs the palette with a hook, and the troops disperse away from the cave mouth. Have one officer from a nearby rise fire an RPG into the cave mouth.
You want to see something that will scare the Al Qaeda sh#tless... that's it. Bigger than a BLU-82 (daisy cutter), it will take the whole top of the mountain off. Brisance, dear friends. Air-fuel explosive. The next time they hide in caves and see a Chinook coming with a palette, you'd see Al Qaeda scrambling out of every opening like _rats_.
Jesus, how ignorant are you? You realise YOU and people like YOU are screwing up people's lives right now? You're just as bad as that moron Psychiatrist.
"The Palestinians attacked Israel _first_. Israel retailiated"
The Jewish state of Israel came about because the Jews SIEZED controll of Palestine. Palestinian men women and children were thrown out of their homes.
The Jews started this entire mess.
Thats not to say that the solution is now that the Jews just leave, since atleast one generation has passed, the Jews now living in Israel are not the same that evicted the Palestinians.
The solution is DIPLOCMACY, and don't give that faff that Israel is willing to talk, and it's all the Palestinians fault (they say the exact opposite)...., its BOLLOCKS, the Jews assasinated their own damn prime-minister because he was in favour of diplomacy.
The conflict has come close to ending several times, but in the end talks have broken down, Barack nearly brokered a deal, but it wasn't seen as enough. (I still think the Palestinians should have accepted it)
And now the morons have said their will never be a Palestinian state; cretins.
People will continue dieing untill, diplomacy is restarted, the ONLY SOLUTION to the conflict is seperate states and that can only be reached via diplomacy.
Both sides need to make compromises, at this point in time, Israel is clearly acting in a way that PROMOTES conflict.
I hate religion, I hate religion, I hate religion.
Last edited by Clyde; 05-17-2002 at 08:51 AM.
highest i've ever seen...
as to the thread, i dunno, they're both at fault
"uh uh uh, you didn't say the magic word"
-Jurassic Park
its highly unfair to blame all the problems on Israel, they would have shared the land in 1948 but were attacked by the Arabs. Israel have basically been attacked in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973....(altho' they have attacked the Arabs in 1956 and 1967 these were preemptive strikes, the Arabs were the aggressors actually) and they have tended to sieze more land and get more powerful relative to their enemies with each war. even the assualt on Lebanon was reasonably justifyable, an attempt to stop missile attacks on northern Israel).
however, the comments re. palestinians are ridiculous, not worthy of arguing against.....they have plenty of reason to be aggrieved. theyve lost a lot of sympathy by resorting to terror, but the Jews have used terror too, prime minister Begin was a former terrorist who murdered British soldiers who were only trying to keep the peace.....
both sides are at fault, they will have to negotiate eventually or they will be fighting forever.
i think religuous intolerance on both sides makes it far more difficult to achieve peace....
Steve
"its highly unfair to blame all the problems on Israel"
I disagree, i think the inital conflict was caused by the Israeli's, but that ultimately does not matter, since generations have changed since then.
"they would have shared the land in 1948 but were attacked by the Arabs."
What you mean is that when in 1948, the UN, offered their resolution of splitting what was then Palestine into separate arab and Jewish states the Jews agreed and the Arabs rejected it....
At that point 8% of the land was owned by the Jews, yet the size of the Jewish state under UN's proposal was 50% of the Palestine... no wonder the Palestinians rejected it.
As soon as the state of Israel was "born" it was attacked because the Arab world saw the Palestinians effectively have the country taken away from them.
Still as I said, just because the Jews started this does not mean that in todays conflict they are soley to blame, as you say the Palestinians have done plenty to make the conflict worse, both sides are fool of extremeist buffoons who think the only solution is totally wipe the other side out.
