Thread: Who contributed most to the defeat of Fascist Germany ??

Originally posted by Shiro
>theres 6000 US ground troops
>1700 British.......
>
>and only a few hundred soldiers of other nations.

That's right. But the US is yelling out loud that they have declared war and that they are going to Afghanistan to catch Bin Laden and free the country of the Taliban. Well, let them. Bush wants to attack each country with terrorists. That's his choice, not of the others.

>and the gulf war - 10 US divisions, 1 french, 1
>British.........wheres everbody else ??????

One can wonder why the US was present at the Gulf War. Mostly because of the oil, in other words, money. If something hasn't anything to do with money, than the US won't be present with such much military power.

>we shouldn't rely on the US to do the Western worlds fighting,

The western world doesn't. The US has choosen for a large military operation, other countries choose more peaceful things.

>the US is getting tired of defending Europe.......

And Europe is tired of the US thinking they are defending Europe.

well i think the war on terrorism is necessary, and i think the Gulf War was necessary. Of course it was about oil, oil fuels all our economies, ie is the reason for our standard of living. Economies are precariously balanced, oil is vital....
Saddam controlling Kuwait and threatening Saudia Arabia was too bad a scenario......
and if there is another war against Saddam to prevent him getting a nuclear bomb then i hope Britain will support the USA.....

we all want world peace, but you need to fight sometimes......the USA is looking out for all our interests...

Ok this goes a few pages back, but too bad

i could be wrong, but i didn't think the japs planned to land on australia mainland. (not that a bit of bombing and ship-sinking and general slaughter wasn't planned!!). i'm only actually going on "the times atlas of WWII" which shows the Japs planned limit of the japanese empire in 1942, which includes dutch east indies and new guinea, but not australia mainland (because they probably didn't think they'd hold on to it, i think the yanks could have landed in Australia and fought them off, probably overextending a bit to try to take Aus)

They still would have needed steel. Australia is the only viable, large scale source of iron ore in the reigion.
As an interesting side note, due to some "smart" policies in the 20's and 30's most of the weapons and equipment used by the Japanese were made from Australian steel, this fact is probbly still true today.
Australia knew that an occuping force in Australia would most likely only be interested in mining iron ore and producing steel. For that reason, before America entered the war, there was a proposal just to let Japan have a large chunk of northern Australia where they would have been able to collect all the iron, copper, zinc and gold they wanted. This had very little support from the rest of Australia, espically from those living in the north.

and the gulf war - 10 US divisions, 1 french, 1 British.........wheres everbody else ??????

Australian troops were in Afganistan from the very beginning.
However we sort of don't really have much of an army so to speak (and out air force is sort of somewhat outdated, though as recent war games have shown, still very effective) so most of our worth wile troops are in Afganistan.
But I do agree strongly with Shiro, its Bush's war on terror (and oil prices).

I think the British did the most to defeat the Germans.

This is because they owned the luxury liners that transported many millions of troops from all over the world to where they were needed.
As these liners were in competion for passengers in the trans Atlantic run, they were built for speed, and could outrun the German U-boats.
Without them the war would have been lost no matter how many troops the Allies had.

>>we shouldn't rely on the US to do the Western worlds fighting,

The western world doesn't. The US has choosen for a large military operation, other countries choose more peaceful things.<

But if we do nothing, then we are sharply critized. How ironic.
-Damed if you do, damed if you don't

Originally posted by novacain
I think the British did the most to defeat the Germans.

This is because they owned the luxury liners that transported many millions of troops from all over the world to where they were needed.
As these liners were in competion for passengers in the trans Atlantic run, they were built for speed, and could outrun the German U-boats.
Without them the war would have been lost no matter how many troops the Allies had.

interesting !!! yeah those liners were so fast, the u boats couldn't get a "firing solution" and never sank one.

did Hitler declare war on the USA because he thought, they'd never get troops to Europe ???? or thought they'd be tied up with Japan ?? surely he didn't think Japan would win ???
i know he had a "pact" with Japan, but so what......he had one with the USSR !!....he wouldn't honour it if he didn't think it was in his best interest..

if he hadn't declared war on the USA, the US wouldn't have declared war on him, we'd probably have had two separate wars, USA/Japan and a European war on Hitler.....
I know that Roosevelt was wondering how to get the US public to support a war in Europe as well as against Japan, but then Hitler declared war and that was that.

Originally posted by shtarker
Ok this goes a few pages back, but too bad

They still would have needed steel. Australia is the only viable, large scale source of iron ore in the reigion.
As an interesting side note, due to some "smart" policies in the 20's and 30's most of the weapons and equipment used by the Japanese were made from Australian steel, this fact is probbly still true today.
Australia knew that an occuping force in Australia would most likely only be interested in mining iron ore and producing steel. For that reason, before America entered the war, there was a proposal just to let Japan have a large chunk of northern Australia where they would have been able to collect all the iron, copper, zinc and gold they wanted. This had very little support from the rest of Australia, espically from those living in the north.

on further investigation, yes you are quite right, Australia and New Zealand were planned targets (but not in the 'initial planned outer limit of Jap empire in 1942')

and around 100 British were killed on Sept 11th, so its our war too...
and yeah, its the Americans job to ensure the free worlds oil supplies silly me.....why did i think all the free world should help ????
just sit back, criticise the USA for killing too many innocent Iraquis and drive to work in your electric car......

>and around 100 British were killed on Sept 11th, so its our war too...
and yeah, its the Americans job to ensure the free worlds oil supplies silly me.....why did i think all the free world should help ????
just sit back, criticise the USA for killing too many innocent Iraquis and drive to work in your electric car......<

Great electric cars, good Idea. OH wait there not pratical yet. There really only usefull for people who don't travel that many miles. not me, nor anyone in my area, they have a high price, so guess what most people can't afford them.

Actuly we can solve the problem by removing OPEC's control over the oil. Even in countires that are not part of it.

Hope europens like high oil prices, and the Jappense worship even higher ones.

I take it you recognise I was being sarcastic ??????

Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
>>we shouldn't rely on the US to do the Western worlds fighting,

The western world doesn't. The US has choosen for a large military operation, other countries choose more peaceful things.<

But if we do nothing, then we are sharply critized. How ironic.
-Damed if you do, damed if you don't

Most European countries are self - serving, double-dealing hypocrites when it comes to terrorism.
they backstab each other, the French tend to buy off their terrorist problems etc etc
let America be the enemy of the Muslim Fundamentalists, we don't want to get involved...we'll keep our heads down.....

All too pacifist for there own good.....the Belgians refused to sell us artillery shells in the Falklands war !!!(we stopped making our own of certain sizes of shells, Belgium was the NATO supplier), French Aerospaciale sent technicians to get exocet missiles working and were cheering when British ships were sunk......

Theres no unity in Europe...even among NATO countries

>>just sit back, criticise the USA for killing too many innocent Iraquis and drive to work in your electric car......

Doesn't that mean there's kind of an upside to America losing its oil supply?
Ofcourse your right, even with recent advances in battery technology (espically the creation of a vanadium redox cell) electric cars will probbly never go very far beyond a toy. However ethanol and vegetable oil fuel substitutes have come quite far, the only problem now is finding enough land to grow the huge amounts of sugar cane (or beets) neded.

Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
>and around 100 British were killed on Sept 11th, so its our war too...
and yeah, its the Americans job to ensure the free worlds oil supplies silly me.....why did i think all the free world should help ????
just sit back, criticise the USA for killing too many innocent Iraquis and drive to work in your electric car......<

Great electric cars, good Idea. OH wait there not pratical yet. There really only usefull for people who don't travel that many miles. not me, nor anyone in my area, they have a high price, so guess what most people can't afford them.

Actuly we can solve the problem by removing OPEC's control over the oil. Even in countires that are not part of it.

Hope europens like high oil prices, and the Jappense worship even higher ones.

Why don't we all just ride our trikes to work, eh?

Russia did not exist 1915 - 1991. It was called the "USSR" or the "Soviet Union". Which is a communist country.

And the German's fascist fall is because Hitler was scandaled... I think. He commited suicide in a bunker.

>He commited suicide in a bunker.

He shot himself, like many Nazis did, because he was afraid to be captured. The Red Army was approaching Berlin so without any hope to escape, he shot himself.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wraith_Master
Russia did not exist 1915 - 1991. It was called the "USSR" or the "Soviet Union". Which is a communist country.

>>>oh i never knew that !!!! I thought the whole Soviet Union was just called Russia !! thanks for correcting me....and i had always thought the USSR was a capitalist country, silly me...


And the German's fascist fall is because Hitler was scandaled... I think. He commited suicide in a bunker.

>>>>>>commited suicide in a bunker ?? oh i never knew that either, again many thanks for enlightening me.........learning all the time.......

>>>>please also let me know if I have spelt anything wrong.....