Thread: Will you sign up to fight?

Originally posted by novacain
>>Osama bin laden uses money from his parents, which likely came from America .He uses American made computers on the american made internet using american made routers and computer parts.

You forgot with CIA training from America.
The money is from construction in the middle east, including roads in Sudan.

He was trained, as were many wealthy Saudi young men, by the CIA to fight a terrorist war against Russia. When he returned to Saudi he was angry that America did not leave and continues to bomb Iraq, over 3000 missions last year alone. When did the war end against Iraq? When will the sanctions end?
He considers Americans invaders in Islams holy land, there to help support the invading Isralies (only there since 1945).
If not for America, the middle east would not be so unstable.
America propped up the Shah of Iran. Then America supplied Sadam against Iran. Then everybody against Sadam. Supplied Afganistan against the Russians and the Isralies against everyone else.

Hey Ronny Raygun even had Iran indirectly helping Nicaraguan rebels. Course he had to sell Iran guns to do it.

If you don't believe me, CHECK.

I seem to have missed the bit where evidence of a crime is presented and the guilty detemined.
Oh thats right it was on CNN so it must be true.

Don't say a word about Kuwait . No. Don't say anything about blowing up Kuwaiti oil derricks and the resulting oil slick.
Of course not. Don't say anything about Saddam's nuclear
project, his biological project. Oh no, no, no, no, no. That wouldn't
be fair. Saddam's a great guy. We all know that. He's protecting
us from the Iranians. And of course it was all a CNN lie that he
invaded Saudi Arabia, too. Tsk, tsk. Shame on them .
And what, save that he was the one responsible for getting our
hostages out of barbaric Tehran, what does Ronald Reagan have
to do with any of this? We talking today, not ancient history.

rick barclay

Originally posted by Fordy
>>Osama bin laden uses money from his parents, which likely came from America

I read an interesting article today on the train coming into work.

It is often said that Bin Laden has amassed a huge fortune of > $300m, and that he gets a huge return on this money every year…… The article initially pointed out that to date, America has been unable to locate let alone freeze these funds…… This is very strange when you consider the huge amount of money this fortune would represent. To get these returns, the money would easily be visible to an organisation like the CIA…… but yet it has not been frozen……why?

The article went on to say that when Bin Laden’s father died, the fortune from the family’s construction empire was split amongst a huge amount of brothers (estimated at perhaps 50). Also, when Bin Laden was associated with terrorism in the early 90’s, his Saudi assets were instantly frozen, and his family stopped giving him his annual allowance. Therefore the idea that he walked away with a huge fortune is fundamentally flawed.

The article went on to say that it was more likely that Bin Laden gets frequent donations from sympathetic Arab governments on the hush. They can simply send the money via one of the laundering processes that are common in that part of the world. No huge fortunes sitting around means that the money can not be traced. When this disaster took place, these governments could simply feign shock and nothing could tie them to this atrocity – unless Bin Laden came clean…… this makes me wonder what countries would be sh#tting themselves if Bin Laden was captured by the US.

Fordy: I read the news the other day. It said of the supposed
$300 million Bin Laden fortune, one half was donated to
the fight against the Russians in Afghanistan. The rest of
the article said pretty much the same as what you have.
I think the search for any terrorist network money is being
expanded and intensified. At least I would hope so. A tv
report yesterday showed film of a muslim school filled
with little terrorists, who showed no lack of enthusiasm
when they told the interviewer, "If you kill Osama Bin
Laden, there are a thousand of us waiting to take his
place." Nice thought. We need to find the money. Without
that they are powerless. We can never kill them all. We
didn't kill all the Germans or Japanese; we just made it
impossible for them to wage war. That's our mission here.

rick barclay

Originally posted by Koshare
Isreal has signed just about every peace agreement put on the table, and has lived up to their end of the bargain in most instances, while the other side makes a routine of breaking it?

Afghanistan and Osama bin laden are not a serious threat to Isreal, PLO and palestine terrorists are...

This is so true.

Yassir Arafat is every bit as bad as Bin Laden. And yet the Israelis went as far as to sit w/him at peace talks- and he was the one who would not compromise!

Can you imagine the reaction in the U.S. if the world said, "Hey don't get so excited. You will just keep encouraging violence if you attack or imprison Bin Laden. Come meet with him and work out a negotiated peace. Maybe give up some parts of New York for him to keep. It will make everything better"

People here would go nuts. There is no way we would do it.

But that is exactly what we have asked Israel to do. And even more unbelievable, they did it.

It is time we really supported Israel fully. It is time we stop coddling these terrorists.

A good quote I heard on the radio today from a guy here in town- "Last week it was Amazing Grace, this week it is Battle Hymn of the Republic"

"Don't say anything about Saddam's nuclear
project, his biological project. "

He will make the excuse of self defense lol.


"Then America supplied Sadam against Iran. Then everybody against Sadam. Supplied Afganistan against the Russians and the Isralies against everyone else. "

What that looks like is that America has been backstabbed by everybody EXCEPT Isreal.


Look at it this way, America is the big guy. Everybody hates the big guy, and at the same time wants to be him. All of the mistakes of the big guy is 100 times worse then any mistakes of the little guy.

a little foreshadowing...
In the story of David and Goliath their is a part which doesnt get much attention. David took 5 stones to fight Goliath, he knew that God would allow him to kill Goliath with one stone. He took the other 4 to kill Goliaths brothers...

Anybody know of the confrence at Durban? oh yes, even the conspiracy theorists probably dont know about it. 1 week before the attack on the WTC, Isreal and America pulled out of Durban early because of Anti - Zionism/Jews that is reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Watch the video feeds online (cant remeber where). This came from mostly arab nations. Durban was a conference on anti racism, it was a miserable failure.

Originally posted by a muslim

Just to let you know… Yassir Arafat always listen to what the U.S tell him to do. Even if it made him hurt Palestinian but israel never do listen.


I think I asked this question lots of times before but I have to ask you again. Do you have any proof it was Osama Bin Laden??

I do not believe that Yassir Arafat is innocent in this or does what the U.S. tells him to do. He may distance himself from the violence by the U.S. through intermediaries but he is none the less culpable.

This is also the case with bin Laden. He may not be directly responsible. But he did create the organisation, facilitate the network and make this possible.

I do not doubt for a moment that the federal government has real evidence that links him to these attacks as well as the previous attacks on the WTC. The talibans claim that they will turn him over to a "neutral Islamic" country for trial upon receiving proof is merely a sham to buy more time to hide him and themselves.

He has publicly stated that he would destroy the WTC and he has called for muslims to kill every American man, woman and child. I watched him say that himself on TV. There can be no disputing that he is a self-acclaimed murderer and terrorist.

You are correct that true Islam does not teach these things. I agree with President Bush that Osama bin Laden and those who work with him are blasphemers of Allah and traitors to their own faith.

He claims innocence and denies involvement in this because we have done what he did not expect. We are reacting by taking action.

In the same interview that he called for every single American citizen to be murdered, he said that "we" (his compatriots) can defeat the American armies because they do not have the will to fight. He personally claimed credit for the killing of American soldiers in Beirut and Somalia.

And as for them not attacking the WTC because muslims were there. Don't you see- he is not a true Muslim and he does not care if he kills other muslims. He is a fascist, totalitarian leader like Hitler. He follows no law but his own.

When his suicidal follower killed the leader of the Afghanni resistance, he showed his obvious willingness to kill those of his own race and religion.

To try and blame these acts on Israel is immoral, irrational and without basis. (This was the thrust of the post that I responded to)

And one last quick note-- the original post called into question the validity of the images of Palestinians celebrating the attack. I believe that CNN has made it very clear that this was real footage filmed following the attack. It was not old or fake. Check out CNN.com if you have any doubts.

Originally posted by a muslim
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I’m telling you not to kill innocent kids and not to kill innocent civilians. I’m not saying support their military, just don’t kill the innocent! By the way.. after what happened in Iraq, saddam and his close people are the people living their normal lives like nothing happened and the innocent people are the ones who are suffering.

I belive it is wrong to kill innocents and we try not kill them. I can't think of anything that would help the people of Iraq or any place else like that. They suffer as a result of there leaders not the U.S.A. Liffting senctions would only make Saddam and his close freinds would get richer very little would change about the rest of the people.

The cold hard fact of war is innocent people will die. Either through intention or through accident.

>Oh, afghanista accounts for 75% of the worlds heroin that is brought into america- talk about killing 2 birds with one stone.

hmmm... that's disturbing...

when do we decide to intervene or to be passive? that is a difficult question which makes me glad i'm a bystander who only chooses to flex his/her power when applicable... so what's the main argument aside from just this now? decades of posts on this are all to this extent?